Prescreened offer

Posted By: 15jwolander

Prescreened offer - 07/28/05 06:45 PM

Can someone give me a precise definition of "prescreened offer" or direct me to where I can find it? I couldn't locate anything in the FCRA. Thanks
Posted By: rlcarey

Re: Prescreened offer - 07/28/05 10:57 PM

An unsolicited offer of credit or insurance based on information from a consumer's credit report.
Posted By: Andy_Z

Re: Prescreened offer - 07/28/05 11:22 PM

Randy's definition is on target.

The FCRA doesn't define prescreening. That is why you wouldn't find it there.
Posted By: swiggles

Re: Prescreened offer - 07/29/05 09:01 PM

But isn't it described (not by that exact name) at 604(c)(B)(i) as a "firm offer of credit or insurance?" This term IS defined at 603(l).
Posted By: rlcarey

Re: Prescreened offer - 07/29/05 09:09 PM

In a roundabout way yes - but I think the point was that the term "prescreened offer" is not directly defined. I think we are saying the same thing
Posted By: river girl

Re: Prescreened offer - 08/02/05 08:55 PM

My marketing dept just informed me they are adhering to the pre-screened requirements by changing the word "preapproved" to "pre-qualififed" in our letters sent to members. They think this will null any compliance requirements. Is that true? Does the word change make the letters exempt from the FACTA requirements for prescreen opt out?
Posted By: rlcarey

Re: Prescreened offer - 08/02/05 09:08 PM

Nope. You are talking semantics here. They are required to make a "firm offer of credit" once they pull the list from the credit bureau - whether they call it a "pre-approved" or "pre-qualified" offer really doesn't make a bit of difference. The opt-out is still required.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Prescreened offer - 08/10/05 10:02 PM

Our marketing department wants to send out prescreened credit card offers to current customers based on the fact that they recently obtained another loan product with us. My question is this, if they are basing the unsolicited firm offer of credit on the fact that they just received another product from us, are we required to give them an opt-out? My other question is, if they are looking at a previous credit report used in making the credit decision on the first loan would we then be required to send out an opt-out?
Posted By: rlcarey

Re: Prescreened offer - 08/10/05 10:06 PM

The answer to your first question is no.

However, while if you base your offer on the fact that you granted them another loan you would be OK, you could not base the offer on any specific information from the original credit report.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Prescreened offer - 08/11/05 04:51 PM

I just want to make sure I have this right. Even if we have not purchased a list of names for prescreening purposes, the mere fact that we are using a beacon score from an old loan will trigger the opt-out notice? If so, we did not buy a list of names, so do we just use the number and address listed on the original credit bureau?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Prescreened offer - 08/15/05 03:52 PM

I am still working on the marketing department and getting them to see how just changing the word "preapproved" to "prequalified" doesn't exempt us from offering the opt-out.
In the meantime, if we go with the opt-out short and long notice, does that mean we do not need the existing FCRA disclosure at the bottom of our offer?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Prescreened offer - 08/16/05 03:23 PM

I believe the FCRA disclosure is now encompassed in the long notice. The long notice must state the information required by section 615(d) of the FCRA, which it does.
Posted By: rlcarey

Re: Prescreened offer - 08/17/05 09:13 PM

Quote:

Even if we have not purchased a list of names for prescreening purposes, the mere fact that we are using a beacon score from an old loan will trigger the opt-out notice?




No - you are not allowed to do that. The credit score is a form of a credit report that you certified you obtained through a permissible purpose - i.e., the original credit application.

You would not have a permissible purpose to use that credit score later for marketing purposes.

There would be no opt-out required because use of the credit score in this manner will violate the FCRA.
Posted By: etm614

Re: Prescreened offer - 08/25/05 12:35 PM

Ooh. I can see a big argument coming for me with management on this. So, we cannot in essence do our own prescreening using credit bureau information in our records, even if we provide the opt-out notices? Can you provide me a citation for this as I'll need all the help I can get to win this one? Thanks.
Posted By: rlcarey

Re: Prescreened offer - 08/25/05 12:49 PM

Refer to the Gowan Letter .

Specifically:

"Second, the credit bureau must, pursuant to Section 607(a), require the creditor to "certify the purposes for which the information is sought, and certify that the information will be used for no other purpose." (emphasis added). Because Section 604(a) provides no authority for a creditor (or any party) to use a consumer report for marketing purposes, a creditor would violate its certification by using an existing report in such a manner."
Posted By: etm614

Re: Prescreened offer - 08/25/05 01:21 PM

Thanks. I'm still going to have a battle, but then, what's new. Are we walking a fine line in offering a credit card at the same time that we are making an auto loan, since technically, this offer is made while looking at the credit report for the auto loan? Also, I am still confused about "soft" credit reports that don't show as inquiries on the customers' credit reports. Do the same criteria for permissible use apply to this?
Posted By: rlcarey

Re: Prescreened offer - 08/25/05 01:28 PM

What do you mean by "soft" credit report? I can't imagine it would be any different.
Posted By: etm614

Re: Prescreened offer - 08/25/05 08:48 PM

I couldn't get a clear explanation of what "soft" meant. Our consumer loan department pulls these reports (about $2) as opposed to the reports pulled by the mortgage department. Clear as mud? I am just assuming that they are both subject to the same requirements of FCRA.
Posted By: rlcarey

Re: Prescreened offer - 08/25/05 09:00 PM

Why would the consumer loan department be pulling them. If you are talking about on closed-end credit customers - again, refer to the Gowan letter - most likely no permissible purpose. I know some banks that think they can update the credit scores on a reguler basis for all loan customers - that is just not true.
Posted By: etm614

Re: Prescreened offer - 08/25/05 09:06 PM

Sorry I wasn't clear that this was a separate question from using credit information from an old loan to send an offer of new credit. They are only pulling these when actually making consumer loans.
Posted By: Bullseye

Re: Prescreened offer - 09/20/05 09:31 PM

I am going to tag on to this thread....I am needing some guidance regarding some software that our company wants to take advantage of.

How this would work would be a customer would come in to open a checking account & via this software we would pull their credit report (as we always do with new checking account customers). What it would also do is allow us to have entered guidelines for our other products (HELOC's, credit cards, etc.). It would then run this report against our guidelines allowing our frontline staff to cross-sell additional products they would qualify for while the customer is in their office. The guidelines would consist of more than just the information in the credit report, it would also include things like debt to income ratios we would have to enter in, but would include the beacon.

Are we getting ourselves into any trouble with a procedure such as this? I am not sure where to start with this one....is it a prescreened offer? Risk based Pricing guidelines? Help??!!
Posted By: MRJ

Re: Prescreened offer - 09/20/05 11:42 PM

Yes this would be a prescreened offer needing the proper prescreen disclosures, including opt-out. Also If you are prescreening for a non-credit product, you need to get the customers consent before the prescreening may occur.
Posted By: hobot

Re: Prescreened offer - 09/21/05 12:07 PM

You should also check your contract with your credit bureau provider. Most contracts state that you can pull and use the report for the stated purpose only. In other words, you may only be able to use the report you pull for the deposit account opening, and not also as a prescreen device for credit products. If you are unsure, I encourage you to check with your bureau rep, as the bureaus have been "testy" about this in the past.
Posted By: Bullseye

Re: Prescreened offer - 09/21/05 01:29 PM

Thanks guys! Actually, this software is coming directly from the credit reporting agency we use so that shouldn't be a problem. As far as the opt-out goes, can it be verbal? Since they are at our desk when this is being done, can it be as simple as us asking them if they would like to be pre-approved for a credit card?

This Q & A from Lucy G. seems to contradict what you are saying:

http://www.bankersonline.com/compliance/gurus_cmp120103e.html

Any thoughts?
Posted By: MRJ

Re: Prescreened offer - 09/21/05 04:04 PM

"While you have the report, you may also review it to cross-sell."

This statement from the Q&A referenced directly conflicts with both the Gowen letter dated April 29, 1999 which states that using existing reports to market products is not permissable, also 604(f) of the FCRA states:
(f)Certain use or obtaining of information prohibited. A person shall not use or obtain a consumer report for any purpose unless
(1) the consumer report is obtained for a purpose for which the consumer report is authorized to be furnished under this section; and
(2) the purpose is certified in accordance with section 607 [§1681e] by a prospective user of the report through a general or specific certification."

What these sources say to me is that you cannot use a report for a non-permissable purpose, such as prescreening for a non-credit product. For deposit products, you must either have the business transaction initiated by the consumer, or get their permission. Prescreening is by definition, not initiated by the consumer, and prescreening using consumer reports is only allowed for credit and insurance products.

If anyone disagrees, please provide your rational and references, I would love to find out this practice is ok, so I can turn the marketing department loose
Posted By: Bullseye

Re: Prescreened offer - 09/21/05 04:51 PM

Quote:



What these sources say to me is that you cannot use a report for a non-permissable purpose, such as prescreening for a non-credit product. For deposit products, you must either have the business transaction initiated by the consumer, or get their permission. Prescreening is by definition, not initiated by the consumer, and prescreening using consumer reports is only allowed for credit and insurance products.






This is where I am confused. This will be used solely for credit products. Also, the final rule for the FACTA prescreened Opt-Out Disclosures say "The commission has determined that the rule should apply to all written solicitations, even if they are transmitted electronically." This would be oral. I am so lost!!
Posted By: MRJ

Re: Prescreened offer - 09/21/05 05:41 PM

You may of course prescreen for credit and insurance products, but you have to follow the prescreen rules under 603 (1), 604(c), 604(e), and 615(d). I believe I understand your confusion, do to the offers being made verbally to customers. Are the offers never given in writing? How would they know the fees and terms or sign up for the product if the offer is never in writing?
Posted By: Bullseye

Re: Prescreened offer - 09/21/05 06:23 PM

As explained in my previous post, this is going to be more of a cross-selling tool. When the credit report is retrieved for a customer requested deposit product, such as a checking account, we would like to be able to use that credit report to also tell the customer, based on criteria on the deposit account application and the credit report pulled, you are automatically pre-approved for our credit card with a $xxxx limit. This would all happen based on the customer initiated request for a deposit account & would all happen while they are in our office, therefore, nothing in writing until the customer signs for the card.
Posted By: MRJ

Re: Prescreened offer - 09/21/05 07:31 PM

I noticed that you are in the "midwest". California Code 1785.20.1 is a close copy of the FCRA for this part we are discussing, but removes the word "written" from prescreened offers section. So in California, oral or written prescreen offers would need the prescreen disclosures. Bottom line, check your state law as well.
Posted By: NEBroncosfan

Re: Prescreened offer - 09/26/05 08:56 PM

Drowning,

My personal thought is that you are o.k. IF you make a firm offer of credit. Carefully review your agreement with the credit reporting agency and I think you will see their requirement that you make a firm offer of credit if you use that product.

As far as the opt-out notice. I would refer to the most RECENT publication in the January 31, 2005 Federal Register (page 5032). Section 642.3 discusses when a Pre-creen opt-out notice is required and in this section, even before the paragraph (a), the statement reads that if we use a credit report to solicit a product the customer does not request, we ". . .shall, with each WRITTEN solicitation to the consumer about the transaction, provide the consumer . . ." (Emphasis added) and it goes on to discuss the short and long notices.

What I am not sure about and have been researching all day is whether we may use "old" reports to generate leads to another department within our bank. I haven't found any relevant discussion on that particular situation in FCRA, FACT Act or other references. If anyone has opinions on that situation, please chime in. The Gowen letter does not seem directly on point as it seems they contemplated pulling a "new" report under the review provision of the Act and I agree with Mr. Isaac's analysis of that situation and that we could not market off that report. I am totally confused about when we may "cross-sell" or "refer" business at account opening. That seems more convoluted, at least to me.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Prescreened offer - 09/26/05 09:46 PM

I agree with you. Under FCRA a person who gets a consumer report must have a permissible purpose to get the report and must agree to use it only in connection with the permissible purpose for which it was obtained. Section 607(a)of FCRA requires that consumer reporting agencies have procedures that "require that prospective users of the information identify themselves, certify the purposes for which the informaiton is sought, and certify that the information will be used for no other purpose."
Posted By: MRJ

Re: Prescreened offer - 09/26/05 09:58 PM

From the Gowen Letter: "Because Section 604(a) provides no authority for a creditor (or any party) to use a consumer report for marketing purposes,(4) a creditor would violate its certification by using an existing report in such a manner."

Also 604(f):

"(f) Certain use or obtaining of information prohibited. A person shall not use or obtain a consumer report for any purpose unless
(1) the consumer report is obtained for a purpose for which the consumer report is authorized to be furnished under this section; and
(2) the purpose is certified in accordance with section 607 [§1681e] by a prospective user of the report through a general or specific certification."

You may always cross-sell and refer people to other products that you may offer them. Just cross-sell and have them fill out an applicaiton if they are interested. However, if you are going to use a consumer report as the basis for cross-selling or refering, it sounds like prescreening to me, in this case just follow the prescreening rules and obtain a prescreen list or system from a vendor that allows you to determine if people meet you prescreening requirements.
Posted By: lcc

Re: Prescreened offer - 11/13/15 09:57 PM

This was a post I found back from 2005, but I have the same questions and I don't believe it was truly answered above. If a customer applies for either a deposit account or a loan product where credit is pulled, are we then allowed to cross-sell other loan products (e.g. credit cards or overdraft lines of credit) and provide this to the customer to accept at the same time? Would this practice be a permissible purpose and would it be considered a pre-screen offer? Also, if the product that is being cross-selled is risk based priced, do we have to provide them with the risk based pricing notice/credit score disclosure (we use the allowed exception and combine the two disclosures) if they do not accept the cross-sell offer?