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#383978 - 07/11/05 06:21 PM
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Sensational article by Bruce Thornton. The rest of the article is available at Victor Davis Hanson - Private Papers
Please just post the links in the future.
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#383979 - 07/11/05 07:44 PM
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I'm always confused by this...I've always thought that Allah meant God. Wouldn't disbelief mean "not believing in God?" I've always had a basic view of Christianity, Juadism and Islam. It seems that many of the basic tenets are the same, but people jumped off at different prophets: Judaism/Moses, Christianity/Christ, Islam/Mohammed.
God seems to be a given in all religions, what is the Domain of Disbelief among Muslims? Not believing Mohammed was a prophet? I'm very confused with the whole thing. It seems to me the message is twisted as it was during the Crusades.
Another thing: If they're so hot on bringing the world around to Islam, why do the solely target the West? Why not Hindu, Buddhism, etc...Or even the Atheist nation of China?
I don't believe Jihad is warranted. It's just a convenient excuse to terrorize and kill innocent people.
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#383980 - 07/11/05 07:58 PM
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For whatever it's worth, we see ideological superiority between christian denominations and this is clear in many of the debates between christians on this site. A completely different set of teachings despite the presence of monotheism, a completely foreign culture and viola, radical fundamentalists.
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#383981 - 07/11/05 08:29 PM
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I've always had a basic view of Christianity, Judaism and Islam. It seems that many of the basic tenets are the same, but people jumped off at different prophets: Judaism/Moses, Christianity/Christ, Islam/Mohammed.
No, not at all. Judaism and Christianity depart on the issue of a Messiah. Islam and Mohammed have nothing to do with Christianity AT ALL. Islam tries to associate with Christianity by seeing Jesus as a prophet. That is not compatible with Christianity; therefore, there is no relationship. Jesus most definitely said he was God. So, you can't say he was just a man, without also saying that he is a liar or a lunatic. Definitely, the Christ of the Bible cannot be a prophet.
Because Christiantity teaches Christ is God, Muslims DO NOT worship the same God. Allah is not the God of the Bible.
Another fundamental difference is that Islam is about earning your way to Allah and Christianity is about Christ having done everything already on the cross.
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#383982 - 07/11/05 08:47 PM
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allah and god are still the basis of montheistic religions though. i do believe in the christian world god is both the son and the spirit so in essense they are the same on one level.
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#383983 - 07/11/05 08:59 PM
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allah and god are still the basis of montheistic religions though. i do believe in the christian world god is both the son and the spirit so in essense they are the same on one level.
Maybe an analogy. If you are not a believer from either faith, the best way to look at it is that they are like leaders of two entirely different nations. They are not the same person. If you are a believer from either faith, your God is like the leader of an actual country and the other's God may as well be the leader of Oz. These may not be perfect analogies. But if you are a believer from either faith, you do not believe that the other faith's God is real. As a Christian, I do not believe God's word makes room for an Allah to even exist. I am certain Muslims think the same about my God. I am betting my life that I am right and so he my Muslim friend. And I do have Muslim friends.
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#383984 - 07/11/05 09:07 PM
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Another fundamental difference is that Islam is about earning your way to Allah and Christianity is about Christ having done everything already on the cross.
And the quickest way prescribed by Koran of "earning your way" is killing a non-muslim - that takes you to the front of the line.
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#383985 - 07/11/05 09:12 PM
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Maybe that is the problem. I'd like to think we are all humans and that one religion is not more favored than another in the eyes of god. Even my god.
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#383986 - 07/11/05 09:29 PM
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Maybe that is the problem. I'd like to think we are all humans and that one religion is not more favored than another in the eyes of god. Even my god.
The problem is not people thinking one God is real and others are not. People can coexist with this and have done so very well. If you don't believe me, just read Corrie ten Boom's book "In My Father's House." Her father, a Christian, regularly debated his Jewish friends (possible Rabbis--I forget) in his living room. He died for choosing to hide Jews during WWII. He chose to make this sacrifice for people who did not serve the same God. (It is not the same God because Jews do not think Jesus is God.)
I agree that one problem many Christians have is thinking, or at least appearing, that because they worship THE REAL GOD they are somehow superior. I do not think they were taught this by Jesus.
Another problem is thinking that worshipping THE REAL GOD (Allah) comes with a mandate to kill those who do not agree with you (Islamo-Fascists).
I don't think my belief that Father/Son/Holy Spirit are the one true God makes me superior to anyone. My relationship with God is one of an adopted child (read Ephesians). In fact, my relationship with God points out my failings in aces. I should fall on my face in light of God's holiness. How can I possible consider myself better when faced with God's perfection? How would I even have time to notice anyone else's failings and shortcomings with so many of my own. Additionally, Christianity teaches loviing those who are traditionally your enemy. If you don't believe me, read the story of the Good Samaritan. It also teaches loving cheaters (tax-gatherers), adulterers (woman at the well), etc.... I do not think it teaches superiority at all.
So, although I may think that my religion is the one true religion and that God has adopted me as my child, that should spur me to love, not revile. Love even Al Qaeda. I do not think that means I have to disapprove a defense from the Al Qaeda. You may wonder how this can be reconciled with the War or any war. Have you ever heard of someone having to kill someone they loved out of self defense or defense of another loved one. That does not mean they loved the person they were forced to kill any less does it?
One last point: If all Gods are really equal, then none of them can be true, right? All truths cannot be true.
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#383989 - 07/12/05 02:36 PM
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Do Muslims want to convert non-Muslims to their way of thinking? What do people find appealing about Mohammed's teachings? Forgive me, but I really don't know much about Islam, but I would like to understand. My personal view is that everyone is the hero of their own story, everyone thinks there right and justified in their actions, even murderers. Prejudice and xenophobia are undermined by trying to understand other points of view.
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#383990 - 07/12/05 02:51 PM
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So, really this whole war in Iraq is an excersize in futility. Why can't the US just butt out and stop trying to be the world police? I'm only curious because I don't see what having Iraq under our democratic style of govt. is going to change. If we stay, there'll be lots of people dying. If we pull out, lots of people will be dying. Are we gonna go after China next because they aren't US mimmicks?
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#383993 - 07/12/05 03:16 PM
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thanks, devil, your a God send!
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#383994 - 07/12/05 03:16 PM
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Sorry Chi, You're right. It had no place in this thread. I retract it.
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#383995 - 07/12/05 03:23 PM
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If killing non-muslims was prescribed in the Koran to earn an automatic trip to heaven, I believe you would see rampant, indiscriminatory killing of non-muslims.
rampant, indiscriminate killing of infidels
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#383999 - 07/12/05 03:50 PM
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#384000 - 07/12/05 03:50 PM
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War.. HUH!! Good Gawd Yall! ~What is it good for?~ Absolutely Nuthin! 
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#384001 - 07/12/05 03:52 PM
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Leroy, see post under BOL Couch RE: Patriotism. War is a vacuum, man, I'm telling you.
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#384002 - 07/12/05 03:54 PM
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