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#1420839 - 07/28/10 11:46 AM ATM - New ADA rules
Daniel Ethridge Offline
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What is the timeframe for the new rules, and where can I find the new rules from the DOJ and ADA?
It looks like there is a 180 day comment period on the proposal?

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#1420860 - 07/28/10 12:05 PM Re: ATM - New ADA rules [Re: Daniel Ethridge]
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It is a final rule, and we will have 6 months to comply with them. The ATM rules for speech output appear to be quite a burden.

http://www.ada.gov/regs2010/titleIII_2010/reg3_2010.html

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#1420867 - 07/28/10 12:13 PM Re: ATM - New ADA rules [Re: BSAguy]
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Thanks!
Is there a link to the specific ATM rules?

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#1420923 - 07/28/10 01:29 PM Re: ATM - New ADA rules [Re: Daniel Ethridge]
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Anyone have the short and sweet here's what changed version?

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#1421168 - 07/28/10 05:07 PM Re: ATM - New ADA rules [Re: Daniel Ethridge]
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Originally Posted By: DanielBoone
Thanks!
Is there a link to the specific ATM rules?


http://www.access-board.gov/ada-aba/final.cfm#a707

1. Speech output
2. Tactilely discernable input controls
3. May require retrofit
4. Unless "undue burden"
5. Enforceable 6 months after publication in Fed Register.
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#1421181 - 07/28/10 05:22 PM Re: ATM - New ADA rules [Re: John Burnett]
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Thank you John!

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#1421276 - 07/29/10 07:24 AM Re: ATM - New ADA rules [Re: Getting_Grayer]
Daniel Ethridge Offline
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Has it been published in the Fed Register?

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#1421652 - 07/29/10 02:25 PM Re: ATM - New ADA rules [Re: Daniel Ethridge]
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I have read several times in publications from the DOJ that although these rules take effect 6 months after publish, Compliance with the standards is not required until 18 months after publication.

So is it 6 or 18?

Also, John, is the link you posted is not of the updated rules? The page states at the top "Published in the Federal Register July 23, 2004 and amended August 5, 2005. "

Is there a document that shows the changes to the rules and not just what the rules are?


Edited by Bob The Banker (07/29/10 04:00 PM)

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#1422200 - 07/30/10 01:47 PM Re: ATM - New ADA rules [Re: Bob The Banker]
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It looks like 18 months to me.

It also looks like the Fed is now mandating the recommended actions from 2004-2005.

We are starting to receive many questions after the ABA posted the article.

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#1422221 - 07/30/10 02:10 PM Re: ATM - New ADA rules [Re: Daniel Ethridge]
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Does anyone know of a document that shows just the changes that take affect? Not the total ruling. I am compiling a document to highlight what the changes are, but would like to know if there was any guidance issued on that.

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#1422287 - 07/30/10 03:00 PM Re: ATM - New ADA rules [Re: Bob The Banker]
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If I'm understanding this correctly, the upgrades to our ATM's will be required unless this would result in an "undue burden." Where can we find the definition of undue burden"?

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#1422702 - 08/02/10 11:51 AM Re: ATM - New ADA rules [Re: Frustrated]
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From what I could tell, the 18 month extension only applies to certain entities (lodging, education, medical care facilities)See section 36.406. All others are 6 months from FR publishing date.
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#1423358 - 08/03/10 11:58 AM Re: ATM - New ADA rules [Re: Spladoodle]
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How come there isn't more discussion on this? This seems like a big topic. What will consitute an undue burden? All existing ATMs need to be re-adjusted to conform to new height reach requirements and functionality? At what expense does undue burden kick in?

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#1423416 - 08/03/10 12:40 PM Re: ATM - New ADA rules [Re: Bob The Banker]
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I was wondering the same thing. With all the ATMs out there that may need some type of software and hardware modification, this is a pretty big deal. I was trying to wait until some industry experts issued some good high level summaries.

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#1424828 - 08/05/10 02:23 PM Re: ATM - New ADA rules [Re: Bob The Banker]
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#1426174 - 08/09/10 04:17 PM Re: ATM - New ADA rules [Re: Daniel Ethridge]
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I keep reading the posts and the new standards. All I read are changes required for ATMs. Are they required for all ATMs? All we have are drive-up ATMs. Section 707 talks about the changes related to "clear floor or ground space." Is this just for walk up ATMs or drive-up ATMs as well?

Thanks

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#1426469 - 08/10/10 10:38 AM Re: ATM - New ADA rules [Re: Hogfan5]
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Keep reading Section 707, it states that drive-up only ATMs are an exception.

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#1426672 - 08/10/10 01:06 PM Re: ATM - New ADA rules [Re: Bob The Banker]
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They are exceptions to some of the requirements, but not all.
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#1426683 - 08/10/10 01:12 PM Re: ATM - New ADA rules [Re: John Burnett]
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Originally Posted By: John Burnett
They are exceptions to some of the requirements, but not all.

This is true, but he was referring to Clear Floor and Ground Space, which drive-up only ATMs are excluded from.

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#1427181 - 08/11/10 10:02 AM Re: ATM - New ADA rules [Re: John Burnett]
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So i geuss we need to know what is being requried its hard to understand at this point, we only have drive thru ATM's.
Where or who can shed some light on this subject, so basically we have til year end to be compliant. Is it just this voice thing and the thing to assist the blind?

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#1427191 - 08/11/10 10:24 AM Re: ATM - New ADA rules [Re: Auditor9]
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Can anyone tell me if drive up only ATM's are going to be required to have the speech output? I do not see an exception that would exclude these.

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#1427593 - 08/11/10 03:08 PM Re: ATM - New ADA rules [Re: okcowgirl]
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Originally Posted By: okcowgirl
Can anyone tell me if drive up only ATM's are going to be required to have the speech output? I do not see an exception that would exclude these.

707 is very straight-forward. If the exclusion is not there, it does not exist. Drive-through is not excluded from Speech Output, the reason being there may be a disabled person in the rear passenger seat.

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#1436202 - 08/30/10 01:28 PM Re: ATM - New ADA rules [Re: Bob The Banker]
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This just applies to ATM's and not cash machines right?


Edited by Carl Hungus (08/30/10 03:23 PM)
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#1439709 - 09/07/10 04:13 PM Re: ATM - New ADA rules [Re: Cale_N_Oats]
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Has anyone seen this published in the Federal Register yet? I've been looking and I searched but cannot find.
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#1439910 - 09/08/10 09:40 AM Re: ATM - New ADA rules [Re: waldensouth]
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I have been watching too and haven't seen anything yet. Anyone else seen anything?

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