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#1443446 - 09/15/10 06:51 PM
Christmas Eve--Open for Half Day
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Every year our credit union closes at 1:00 on Christmas Eve and all employees who would normally work a full day get paid for 8 hours. When I take off Dec 24th I have to use 8 hours of vacation time (I'm exempt). We are allowed to use our vacation time in half-day increments. Nothing in our HR policy specifically addresses this, but the previous head of HR always required employees take the 8 hours of vacation time. Our current head of HR is looking to formalize our policy and isn't sure which way she's leaning. Any opinions out there? Should employees be forced to take a full vacation day or 1/2?
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#1443476 - 09/15/10 07:12 PM
Re: Christmas Eve--Open for Half Day
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If you take off on the 24th instead of working the half day as everyone else then IMO you should be charged a full day's earned PTO. If you worked that day you would expect to be compensated for the whole day would you not? So why should you only be charged a half day for PTO when you take the whole day off that is being compensated as a full day? Just my opinion, which you asked for....
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#1443756 - 09/16/10 01:32 PM
Re: Christmas Eve--Open for Half Day
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we grant all employees either the day before/after Christmas or day after Thanksgiving off, their choice which one based on their schedule and supervisors approval. However, if you have that week already slated for vacation (the entire week) then you don't get an extra day. That are the breaks...don't like it, then don't schedule that entire week off and run the risk of not getting the one day you want.
I'm off the mindset that if you want to guarantee the day off (Christmas eve in this instance) then you get charged the entire day. I'm with your previous HR director on this one.
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#1443772 - 09/16/10 01:46 PM
Re: Christmas Eve--Open for Half Day
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This is the way it is for all banks I have worked for.
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#1443780 - 09/16/10 01:52 PM
Re: Christmas Eve--Open for Half Day
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we used to give every employee a half day off every month to take care of personal issues...doctors visits, kids school, whatever...and employees were told if it was abused it would be gone. Sure enough, for the 1st few months, everyone used it like they should have...slowly over time people started making appointments during work hours so they wouldn't have to waste their 1/2 day off...after about 3 months of this and numerous warnings to the offenders, the 1/2 days were eliminated...and people couldn't understand why...a wonderful benefit lost because of the actions of a few...
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#1443954 - 09/16/10 03:45 PM
Re: Christmas Eve--Open for Half Day
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I'm jealous of you all. We close early on Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve, but we don't get any paid time for either. We have to take PTO or vacation time if we want to get paid for a full day. And with Cristmas and New Year's falling on Saturdays this year, we get nothing for the holidays!
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#1443975 - 09/16/10 04:01 PM
Re: Christmas Eve--Open for Half Day
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We also will not get a day off for either Christmas or New Years this season.
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#1444004 - 09/16/10 04:26 PM
Re: Christmas Eve--Open for Half Day
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We get a floating holiday for Christmas and New Years.
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#1444394 - 09/16/10 08:52 PM
Re: Christmas Eve--Open for Half Day
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I guess I'm looking at it from this point of view. My employer is giving us a half day (4 hours) of pay as a "gift". If I work that day, I get paid 8 hours even though I only need to show up for half the day. However, if I take a vacation day, I "lose" that 4 hour "gift". Instead, to get the afternoon off (which everyone else is getting off paid) I have to use vacation time. Now of course, after reading some of your posts, I guess I should count my blessings!
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#1444588 - 09/17/10 01:57 PM
Re: Christmas Eve--Open for Half Day
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Right. In years past, if you took a vacation day on the 24th, you were required to use 8 hours of vacation time. My argument is, why not give us the 4 hours paid (as other employees get when they work that day) and require us to take 4 hours vacation time for the other half.
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#1444644 - 09/17/10 02:41 PM
Re: Christmas Eve--Open for Half Day
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Right. In years past, if you took a vacation day on the 24th, you were required to use 8 hours of vacation time. My argument is, why not give us the 4 hours paid (as other employees get when they work that day) and require us to take 4 hours vacation time for the other half. Why? Because that is the policy that management decided on and implemented. Is it fair? Maybe not, but it's their policy and was probably in place when you took the job. I have worked at institutions that had this type of policy. The way it was explained to me was that the 4 hour "gift" was an incentive to get people to work and keep staffing levels up enough to meet customer needs the day before Christmas. Other institutions I have worked at have a blackout period for vacation days during the holiday/end of year season (ie you have to get upper management permission to even get a vacation day between November 1 and January 31).
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#1447936 - 09/24/10 02:48 PM
Re: Christmas Eve--Open for Half Day
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Convince management to do what we're doing. Close all day on Christmas Eve this year, because it's on Friday and give employees a three day weekend. We're very excited.
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#1448657 - 09/27/10 04:32 PM
Re: Christmas Eve--Open for Half Day
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We have it set up the same way, you get 4 hours holiday pay if you work the morning, but you have to use a full 8 hours if you want it off. For Christmas and New Years this year, we have the option of either getting paid holiday pay the day of, or getting an extra floating holiday during the months surrounding them.
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#1449150 - 09/28/10 03:22 PM
Re: Christmas Eve--Open for Half Day
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If you have a scheduled vacation, and the bank/credit union is closed due to weather, power outage, etc. then you are charged your vacation hours as scheduled. You don't get the free day, although all others do. Therefore I agree that if you schedule Christmas Eve off, you must take the full 8 hours.
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#1449340 - 09/28/10 07:28 PM
Re: Christmas Eve--Open for Half Day
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We close at 1:30 on Christmas Eve. We have to use a full days vacation if we want that day off. We got a floating day for Christmas this year that we could use anytime before May 31. Next year there will be a floater for New Year's. But it won't matter to me because I am retiring Dec. 31. YEA!!!!!!
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#1454655 - 10/13/10 05:10 PM
Re: Christmas Eve--Open for Half Day
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We close at 12:00 on Christmas Eve, we have to use a full days vacation if we take that day off. If you schedule your vacation in a week that has any holiday and the bank is closed, that holiday is counted as one of our vacation days, so basically you are giving one of your vacation days away.
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#1454688 - 10/13/10 05:42 PM
Re: Christmas Eve--Open for Half Day
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Boy, I'm glad I don't work for your bank AllSmiles! We're only charged with what we take. If bank is only open half day during week of vacation, we would get charged 4.5 days vacation. If closed full day for holiday and we take vacation, we would get charged 4 days vacation, 1 holiday.
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#1454714 - 10/13/10 05:54 PM
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Oh and you cant take the day before or after a holiday unless you take the whole week or have been here 10 years or more.
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#1454779 - 10/13/10 06:39 PM
Re: Christmas Eve--Open for Half Day
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I'd be looking for somewhere else to work. We don't pay you if you call in sick the day before or after a holiday unless you have a doctor's excuse, but if you have seniority on the vacation schedule, you can take it if it's available.
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#1454782 - 10/13/10 06:42 PM
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Soooon Georgia!
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#1457756 - 10/21/10 12:53 PM
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Convince management to do what we're doing. Close all day on Christmas Eve this year, because it's on Friday and give employees a three day weekend. We're very excited. And what about your customers that need to go to the bank for some last minute shopping money? Although the employees love this idea, it is HORRIBLE for customer service.
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#1457900 - 10/21/10 03:33 PM
Re: Christmas Eve--Open for Half Day
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which is why you put notices up 30 days prior and ATMs were invented...
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#1458009 - 10/21/10 05:35 PM
Re: Christmas Eve--Open for Half Day
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which is why you put notices up 30 days prior and ATMs were invented... There are plenty of customers without ATM cards or need services that ATMs cannot perform. Even though the notice is put up 30 days prior, you may have a customer who does not see it, forgets, or runs into a jam and needs to come in. I don't see any way around it, closing on the EVE of a holiday is just poor customer service. You should be in business to serve your customers, not do what makes the employees happy.
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#1458020 - 10/21/10 05:46 PM
Re: Christmas Eve--Open for Half Day
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Most of the banking clients I have known that don't like ATM/debit cards always have a pretty good supply of cash (because they live a cash based life). I am more concerned about the non-clients that may need to cash payroll checks because it is Friday and likely that is when they will be paid. True, they can go to Walmart and enrich them with a check cashing fee, but many would rather use the payroll company bank.
I hate to say it, but I vote for open 1/2 day, closing at noon.
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#1458269 - 10/21/10 10:03 PM
Re: Christmas Eve--Open for Half Day
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which is why you put notices up 30 days prior and ATMs were invented... There are plenty of customers without ATM cards or need services that ATMs cannot perform. Even though the notice is put up 30 days prior, you may have a customer who does not see it, forgets, or runs into a jam and needs to come in. I don't see any way around it, closing on the EVE of a holiday is just poor customer service. You should be in business to serve your customers, not do what makes the employees happy. then you probably frown on the banks that close for the Rice Festival, Gumbo Festival, Boudin Festval, Sugar Cane Harvest Festival, Cotton Festival, Good Friday, Mardi Gras, Crawfish Festival, Shrimp & Petroleum Festival, Tarpon Rodeo...these are ones I can think of off the top of my head that close in Louisiana... Of course, using your argument, one could say that there are businesses that could need cash on Sunday, so should banks be open then? I know of at least 2 that have done Sunday hours...
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#1458356 - 10/22/10 01:39 PM
Re: Christmas Eve--Open for Half Day
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I'm with you, Happy. Last year we were open half day on Christmas Eve and had 2 customers. They were shocked we were open. We will again work half day on Christmas Eve this year, but do not expect a lot of traffic in the bank.
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#1458702 - 10/22/10 07:38 PM
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which is why you put notices up 30 days prior and ATMs were invented... There are plenty of customers without ATM cards or need services that ATMs cannot perform. Even though the notice is put up 30 days prior, you may have a customer who does not see it, forgets, or runs into a jam and needs to come in. I don't see any way around it, closing on the EVE of a holiday is just poor customer service. You should be in business to serve your customers, not do what makes the employees happy. then you probably frown on the banks that close for the Rice Festival, Gumbo Festival, Boudin Festval, Sugar Cane Harvest Festival, Cotton Festival, Good Friday, Mardi Gras, Crawfish Festival, Shrimp & Petroleum Festival, Tarpon Rodeo...these are ones I can think of off the top of my head that close in Louisiana... Of course, using your argument, one could say that there are businesses that could need cash on Sunday, so should banks be open then? I know of at least 2 that have done Sunday hours... Do banks close the day BEFORE Mardi Gras, Crawfish Festival, Tarpon Rodeo, etc? I highly doubt it. Christmas Eve is not a holiday. It is the day before a holiday. More importantly as someone mentioned, it is a Friday, you are going to have people that can't deposit or cash their paycheck. Of course the employees are happy, they are given the day off when they know they should be working.
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#1458712 - 10/22/10 07:44 PM
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Of course the employees are happy, they are given the day off when they know they should be working. ouch.
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#1458777 - 10/22/10 08:40 PM
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Do banks close the day BEFORE Mardi Gras, Crawfish Festival, Tarpon Rodeo, etc? I highly doubt it.
Mardi Gras, many close 1/2 day the day before, those on the parade route close early throughout the carnival season. Other ones, yes, they close Friday for a weekend festival... bank in neighboring town is closed today for the Wooden Boat Festival that runs this weekend...maybe we're just a different breed down here
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#1458793 - 10/22/10 08:52 PM
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maybe ...Yeah, we're just a different breed down here Fixed
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#1458800 - 10/22/10 09:01 PM
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No guilt here. With assessments and tight margins it's tough to award bonuses this year, so we thought this would be a nice way for management and members to show their appreciation for the hard work of the staff this year. We've already posted signs and the members are commenting that they think it's great. (One complaint so far.) The only thing that can't be done when we're not open is cash a third party check. With online banking, mobile banking, audio response, debit cards, etc. there's very little that can't be done if we close for one extra day. Employees have to put up with a lot...about 10% of people are not so nice, the cost of health insurance keeps going up, several of our employees have spouses out of work, etc. Sometimes you can do something to thank the people that show up and put their happy faces on every day and help our members. I'm proud of my employees and I'm proud of the reaction of my members. Merry Christmas to all of you a little in advance!
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#1458802 - 10/22/10 09:05 PM
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Of course the employees are happy, they are given the day off when they know they should be working. ouch. Of course the employees are happy because as a thread in the cooler proves that happyness is a choice.
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#1458960 - 10/25/10 03:03 PM
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Of course the employees are happy, they are given the day off when they know they should be working. ouch. He's just jealous!
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#1458979 - 10/25/10 03:26 PM
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well, then i'm not going to bring up the wearing of blue jeans between Christmas and New Years, that will likely upset him more
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#1458983 - 10/25/10 03:31 PM
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No guilt here. With assessments and tight margins it's tough to award bonuses this year, so we thought this would be a nice way for management and members to show their appreciation for the hard work of the staff this year. We've already posted signs and the members are commenting that they think it's great. (One complaint so far.) The only thing that can't be done when we're not open is cash a third party check. With online banking, mobile banking, audio response, debit cards, etc. there's very little that can't be done if we close for one extra day. Employees have to put up with a lot...about 10% of people are not so nice, the cost of health insurance keeps going up, several of our employees have spouses out of work, etc. Sometimes you can do something to thank the people that show up and put their happy faces on every day and help our members. I'm proud of my employees and I'm proud of the reaction of my members. Merry Christmas to all of you a little in advance! Bravo
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#1459463 - 10/26/10 02:46 PM
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We have always worked a half day on Christmas Eve, with very little traffic in the bank. We pay our staff for a full day and they do not have to use vac or sick time. Ditto. Except we only get paid for actual time worked on Christmas Eve. To get paid for a full week we have to make up the time by coming in early or staying late during the week.
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#1459549 - 10/26/10 04:08 PM
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We close at 12:00 on Christmas Eve, we have to use a full days vacation if we take that day off. If you schedule your vacation in a week that has any holiday and the bank is closed, that holiday is counted as one of our vacation days, so basically you are giving one of your vacation days away. Ditto here.
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#1479219 - 12/10/10 07:36 PM
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Actually they have decided that we will close for Christmas Eve.
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#1479436 - 12/11/10 02:25 AM
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You need to check your State law, if you are a State bank. If it is not holiday, you might need to notify your State agency. If you are a National Bank, I'm not sure it is allowed to close for the whole day that you are normally open without permission.
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#1480211 - 12/14/10 03:33 PM
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We are closing all day on the 24th. I checked our state law and found the following:
(1) The first day of January (New Year's Day), Easter Sunday, the last Monday in May (Memorial Day), the fourth day of July (Independence Day), the first Monday in September (Labor Day), the fourth Thursday in November (Thanksgiving Day), and the twenty-fifth day of December (Christmas) of each year are holidays on which banks shall close. If New Year's Day, Independence Day, or Christmas falls on a Saturday or Sunday, either the preceding Friday or the succeeding Monday shall also be observed as a holiday and the offices of banks closed.
Doesn't this sound as if we are supposed to take a Fri. or Mon. off when those days fall on Sat. or Sun.?
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#1480302 - 12/14/10 04:53 PM
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We are closing all day on the 24th. I checked our state law and found the following:
(1) The first day of January (New Year's Day), Easter Sunday, the last Monday in May (Memorial Day), the fourth day of July (Independence Day), the first Monday in September (Labor Day), the fourth Thursday in November (Thanksgiving Day), and the twenty-fifth day of December (Christmas) of each year are holidays on which banks shall close. If New Year's Day, Independence Day, or Christmas falls on a Saturday or Sunday, either the preceding Friday or the succeeding Monday shall also be observed as a holiday and the offices of banks closed.Doesn't this sound as if we are supposed to take a Fri. or Mon. off when those days fall on Sat. or Sun.? sounds to me like you must take the day off. Bob the Banker is not going to be pleased
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#1480304 - 12/14/10 04:54 PM
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We are closing all day on the 24th. I checked our state law and found the following:
(1) The first day of January (New Year's Day), Easter Sunday, the last Monday in May (Memorial Day), the fourth day of July (Independence Day), the first Monday in September (Labor Day), the fourth Thursday in November (Thanksgiving Day), and the twenty-fifth day of December (Christmas) of each year are holidays on which banks shall close. If New Year's Day, Independence Day, or Christmas falls on a Saturday or Sunday, either the preceding Friday or the succeeding Monday shall also be observed as a holiday and the offices of banks closed.
Doesn't this sound as if we are supposed to take a Fri. or Mon. off when those days fall on Sat. or Sun.? Using that logic, Bank's would be closed on the Monday after Easter. I don't think anyone does that....
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#1480329 - 12/14/10 05:14 PM
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We are closing all day on the 24th. I checked our state law and found the following:
(1) The first day of January (New Year's Day), Easter Sunday, the last Monday in May (Memorial Day), the fourth day of July (Independence Day), the first Monday in September (Labor Day), the fourth Thursday in November (Thanksgiving Day), and the twenty-fifth day of December (Christmas) of each year are holidays on which banks shall close. If New Year's Day, Independence Day, or Christmas falls on a Saturday or Sunday, either the preceding Friday or the succeeding Monday shall also be observed as a holiday and the offices of banks closed.
Doesn't this sound as if we are supposed to take a Fri. or Mon. off when those days fall on Sat. or Sun.? I would think that you would have to check with the State to see which day they have officially declared.
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#1480336 - 12/14/10 05:28 PM
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In MN, we are allowed to close at noon. We will close at 1pm.
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#1480382 - 12/14/10 06:37 PM
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Even though finding that in our state law, many don't do it. We're only closing the 24th because our CEO brought it up. That's not a normal closing for when it falls on Saturday. We do always take the Monday if it falls on Sunday. Any of those three holidays falling on Saturday normally just means the bank is closed that day and nothing extra is taken.
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#1480493 - 12/14/10 08:29 PM
Re: Christmas Eve--Open for Half Day
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We work until 2pm. We'll probably wait on 1 customer, if that. I'd rather have the day off!!!
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#1482904 - 12/20/10 06:22 PM
Re: Christmas Eve--Open for Half Day
chenin
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How can the back office be off if the branches are open? How will your cash letters, NSF's, stop pays, etc. get processed?
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#1482969 - 12/20/10 07:32 PM
Re: Christmas Eve--Open for Half Day
Bob The Banker
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But Saturday isn't a processing day; Friday 12/24 is. Unless you're running all day Friday 12/24's work on Monday 12/27's date?
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#1483254 - 12/21/10 02:33 PM
Re: Christmas Eve--Open for Half Day
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But Saturday isn't a processing day; Friday 12/24 is. Unless you're running all day Friday 12/24's work on Monday 12/27's date? sounds like it isn't a processing day for the banks that closed their back office...
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