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#1669763 - 02/24/12 09:20 PM Re: Maybe Obama should be reelected... TB 12
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I must be missing somting in you article where it states that ron paul is ahead in the delegate count.
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#1669764 - 02/24/12 09:20 PM Re: Maybe Obama should be reelected... TB 12
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Jenny, the truth is the party delegates are like the delegate for the Electoral College. In theory, the presidential election is not over until the College meets and the delegates vote. They are technically free to vote for anyone.

Can you tell me the last time a delegate did not vote for the candidate that won the popular vote in their state?

Same thing with the party delegates.

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#1669784 - 02/24/12 09:51 PM Re: Maybe Obama should be reelected... edAudit
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Originally Posted By: EdAudit
I must be missing somting in you article where it states that ron paul is ahead in the delegate count.



yea, you missed the comment I provided with the article.
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#1669792 - 02/24/12 09:47 PM Re: Maybe Obama should be reelected... TB 12
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Kool the delagates will go against the vote because some uk newspaper prints it. If I am the head of the party I will keep the delagate that votes against the wishes of my party so I can be asured that the party will throw me out the first chance it gets.

When was the last time this happend?
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#1669799 - 02/24/12 10:08 PM Re: Maybe Obama should be reelected... straw
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Jenny, the truth is the party delegates are like the delegate for the Electoral College. In theory, the presidential election is not over until the College meets and the delegates vote. They are technically free to vote for anyone.

Can you tell me the last time a delegate did not vote for the candidate that won the popular vote in their state?

Same thing with the party delegates.


No, I cannot tell you that. But, I can tell you that in NY, I personally know of 2 Gingrich delegates that will vote for Ron Paul. And, those two know others that will do the same.... so...?????

In Iowa last week, A.J. Spiker was elected State Republican Party Chair. Mr. Spiker happens to be a key Ron Paul supporter, a fact which begins to lend credibility to Dr. Paul and his campaign. It is plausible that Dr. Paul will get all the delegates from Iowa, Colorado, Maine, and Minnesota.



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#1669804 - 02/24/12 10:11 PM Re: Maybe Obama should be reelected... TB 12
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#1669810 - 02/24/12 10:03 PM Re: Maybe Obama should be reelected... J2C
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Originally Posted By: straw
Jenny, the truth is the party delegates are like the delegate for the Electoral College. In theory, the presidential election is not over until the College meets and the delegates vote. They are technically free to vote for anyone.

Can you tell me the last time a delegate did not vote for the candidate that won the popular vote in their state?

Same thing with the party delegates.


No, I cannot tell you that. But, I can tell you that in NY, I personally know of 2 Gingrich delegates that will vote for Ron Paul. And, those two know others that will do the same.... so...?????




No, you know two people who told you that may do something, probably because it is something you want to hear. They will vote for whom they are pledged to or they will no longer have a place in the party hierarchy. If that is unclear to them, they will be reminded of that prior to the convention.

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In Iowa last week, A.J. Spiker was elected State Republican Party Chair. Mr. Spiker happens to be a key Ron Paul supporter, a fact which begins to lend credibility to Dr. Paul and his campaign. It is plausible that Dr. Paul will get all the delegates from Iowa, Colorado, Maine, and Minnesota.




Yes I can read the good doctor's propoganda pieces myself. Not sure why he or you think that because one of his supporters was named chair means pledged delegates will ignore the voters they are pledged.

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#1669811 - 02/24/12 10:16 PM Re: Maybe Obama should be reelected... edAudit
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Originally Posted By: EdAudit
Kool the delagates will go against the vote because some uk newspaper prints it. If I am the head of the party I will keep the delagate that votes against the wishes of my party so I can be asured that the party will throw me out the first chance it gets.

When was the last time this happend?


It's all a game...and to win, you need to know how to play. The Ron Paul delegates know the game and they know it well.

On another note, it will be quite interesting when hundreds retired and active duty military Ron Paul supporters arrive in Florida and march on the convention in support of Ron Paul. I think that will sway some of the delegates, for sure.
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#1669812 - 02/24/12 10:05 PM Re: Maybe Obama should be reelected... J2C
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Originally Posted By: jennyfromthebloc
Originally Posted By: straw
Jenny, the truth is the party delegates are like the delegate for the Electoral College. In theory, the presidential election is not over until the College meets and the delegates vote. They are technically free to vote for anyone.

Can you tell me the last time a delegate did not vote for the candidate that won the popular vote in their state?

Same thing with the party delegates.


No, I cannot tell you that. But, I can tell you that in NY, I personally know of 2 Gingrich delegates that will vote for Ron Paul. And, those two know others that will do the same.... so...?????

In Iowa last week, A.J. Spiker was elected State Republican Party Chair. Mr. Spiker happens to be a key Ron Paul supporter, a fact which begins to lend credibility to Dr. Paul and his campaign. It is plausible that Dr. Paul will get all the delegates from Iowa, Colorado, Maine, and Minnesota.





If I was a Gingrich supporter and knew before hand I would contact my Party chairman and let him know either the delagate is out or he is out.
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#1669817 - 02/24/12 10:24 PM Re: Maybe Obama should be reelected... straw
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Originally Posted By: straw
Originally Posted By: jennyfromthebloc
Originally Posted By: straw
Jenny, the truth is the party delegates are like the delegate for the Electoral College. In theory, the presidential election is not over until the College meets and the delegates vote. They are technically free to vote for anyone.

Can you tell me the last time a delegate did not vote for the candidate that won the popular vote in their state?

Same thing with the party delegates.


No, I cannot tell you that. But, I can tell you that in NY, I personally know of 2 Gingrich delegates that will vote for Ron Paul. And, those two know others that will do the same.... so...?????




No, you know two people who told you that may do something, probably because it is something you want to hear. They will vote for whom they are pledged to or they will no longer have a place in the party hierarchy. If that is unclear to them, they will be reminded of that prior to the convention.



I know two people that have definitely said they WILL do it. They are full blown Ron Paul supporters and head up rallies in support of him, regularly. They also gave me the insight I have to the entire delegate process which I did not understand fully until they both brought me up to speed.

You even said yourself, they are free to vote for whomever they choose --regardless. There is nothing unclear to the two delegates that I know whom will do this...they know the rules and quite frankly they only care about getting Ron Paul into office.
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#1669819 - 02/24/12 10:26 PM Re: Maybe Obama should be reelected... edAudit
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Originally Posted By: EdAudit
Originally Posted By: jennyfromthebloc
Originally Posted By: straw
Jenny, the truth is the party delegates are like the delegate for the Electoral College. In theory, the presidential election is not over until the College meets and the delegates vote. They are technically free to vote for anyone.

Can you tell me the last time a delegate did not vote for the candidate that won the popular vote in their state?

Same thing with the party delegates.


No, I cannot tell you that. But, I can tell you that in NY, I personally know of 2 Gingrich delegates that will vote for Ron Paul. And, those two know others that will do the same.... so...?????

In Iowa last week, A.J. Spiker was elected State Republican Party Chair. Mr. Spiker happens to be a key Ron Paul supporter, a fact which begins to lend credibility to Dr. Paul and his campaign. It is plausible that Dr. Paul will get all the delegates from Iowa, Colorado, Maine, and Minnesota.





If I was a Gingrich supporter and knew before hand I would contact my Party chairman and let him know either the delagate is out or he is out.


Like I said...it's all a game...and you need to know how to play the game.
And it's perfectly legal as well.

Let's face it...if it is happening here it is happening elsewhere and we (RP Supporters) know it! Everyone else can return to their regularly scheduled programming.
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#1669823 - 02/24/12 10:31 PM Re: Maybe Obama should be reelected... Pale Rider
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:rubs hands together:

I can see that 401 (k) money of straw slipping into our hands...


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#1669829 - 02/24/12 10:33 PM Re: Maybe Obama should be reelected... TB 12
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Ok will you bet your 401k that Paul's convention totals will not be more than 10% higher than what the press reports?

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#1669831 - 02/24/12 10:34 PM Re: Maybe Obama should be reelected... J2C
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Originally Posted By: jennyfromthebloc
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Jenny, the truth is the party delegates are like the delegate for the Electoral College. In theory, the presidential election is not over until the College meets and the delegates vote. They are technically free to vote for anyone.

Can you tell me the last time a delegate did not vote for the candidate that won the popular vote in their state?

Same thing with the party delegates.


No, I cannot tell you that. But, I can tell you that in NY, I personally know of 2 Gingrich delegates that will vote for Ron Paul. And, those two know others that will do the same.... so...?????




No, you know two people who told you that may do something, probably because it is something you want to hear. They will vote for whom they are pledged to or they will no longer have a place in the party hierarchy. If that is unclear to them, they will be reminded of that prior to the convention.



I know two people that have definitely said they WILL do it. They are full blown Ron Paul supporters and head up rallies in support of him, regularly. They also gave me the insight I have to the entire delegate process which I did not understand fully until they both brought me up to speed.

You even said yourself, they are free to vote for whomever they choose --regardless. There is nothing unclear to the two delegates that I know whom will do this...they know the rules and quite frankly they only care about getting Ron Paul into office.



Yes they are, so please tell me the last time that delegates deviated from the vote and why this time is SOOOO different.

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#1669846 - 02/24/12 11:55 PM Re: Maybe Obama should be reelected... TB 12
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Because he is the only Presidential candidate this time with a foreign policy positions to the left of Obama?
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#1669862 - 02/25/12 02:49 AM Re: Maybe Obama should be reelected... TB 12
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Cause there has never been a Ron Paul with an evil plan to take over the Republican convention with Looney RP delegate supporters before. They have infiltrated the system and he will rule :evil laugh:

Now, where are my sharks with fricken laser beams.
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#1669948 - 02/27/12 01:59 PM Re: Maybe Obama should be reelected... J2C
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Originally Posted By: jennyfromthebloc
No, I cannot tell you that. But, I can tell you that in NY, I personally know of 2 Gingrich delegates that will vote for Ron Paul. And, those two know others that will do the same.... so...?????

When did NY award delegates? Did I miss a primary somewhere? How many total delegates did Gingrich win in NY?

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It is plausible that Dr. Paul will get all the delegates from Iowa, Colorado, Maine, and Minnesota.

Ok.



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#1669951 - 02/27/12 01:49 PM Re: Maybe Obama should be reelected... Jokerman
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I must have missed the vote.(and the endless commericals. shocked
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#1669955 - 02/27/12 02:16 PM Re: Maybe Obama should be reelected... J2C
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Wait a minute. He's getting delegates, so he's going to be the nominee. And if he's the nominee, surely the point is to beat Obama, correct?

If you believe (a) that Ron Paul is going to get the delegates to be the nominee, (b) that Ron Paul's nomination by the Republican Party is a good thing, and (c) that President Obama will nevertheless be re-elected, then I can only conclude that you want the Republican to lose to President Obama.

Please advise where I've misunderstood your logic.


Just to clarify- I don't want a republican in office. I want Ron Paul in office. He is not a republican by defintion and is only on the ticket as one because he would have no chance of being the nominee, otherwise.

Representative Paul is a member of the Republican House caucus. He is campaigning for the Republican nomination for the Presidency. There are many self-identified Republicans who disagree with Representative Paul (R-TX) on a number of issues. But he has chosen to associate himself with the Republican Party. That was his choice, as you note, due to political expediency.

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If he is the nominee (and I do hope he is), he will most likely put up a bigger fight against Barry than any of the others might --but I don't think he will beat him.

Well, I like to think that in the political arena, it's better to make choices based on what is possible. Some of Representative Paul's (R-TX) ideas on what the size and scope of the federal government are appealing. But, by and large, they have zero chance of being implemented. That's why Representative Paul (R-TX) has NO record of legislative achievement. I think it's great that he's running and getting exposure for these ideas (not so much the nutjob blame-America stuff), but I'd rather choose a candidate that can move the ball in the right direction (three yards and a cloud of dust), rather than one who is throwing up a hail mary pass from his own ten yard line on first and ten with time left on the clock.

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Unfortunately, the vast majority of America is brainwashed and think Obama is King or they say "he needs to get us out of the mess he got us in" and will cast a vote for him on that as well.

I think the majority of Americans believes that the country is headed in the wrong direction and will vote for a candidate who they believe will turn things around. (I'm not sure that candidate is in the race.) But they assuredly won't vote for someone who scares them. The Fed is not the issue in this election. Drug legalization is not the issue in this election. Kennedy's speech on the role of religion in public life is not the issue in this election (just a little note to Rick Santorum, there).

The issue in this election is whether we're going to be a European-style socialist state, or whether we'll turn back the dial on the size and scope of the federal government. Representative Paul (R-TX) is not the candidate to make that argument. Sorry.

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#1670005 - 02/27/12 02:53 PM Re: Maybe Obama should be reelected... TB 12
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Sorry Jenny, but I just don't see the majority of delegates, much less the electoral college, chucking it all to vote for a 77 year old man that continues to focus on a central banking system that 99% of American voters don't understand...and I don't konw how other states work, but in Louisiana, the delagates "vote" is really just a formality, the party controls who gets those votes, and the delegates are nothing more than people who march to the parties orders
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#1670032 - 02/27/12 03:35 PM Re: Maybe Obama should be reelected... TB 12
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#1670033 - 02/27/12 03:23 PM Re: Maybe Obama should be reelected... TB 12
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#1670221 - 02/27/12 07:41 PM Re: Maybe Obama should be reelected... J2C
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Like I said...it's all a game...and you need to know how to play the game.
And it's perfectly legal as well.

Let's face it...if it is happening here it is happening elsewhere and we (RP Supporters) know it! Everyone else can return to their regularly scheduled programming.


Edited by jennyfromthebloc (02/24/12 02:31 PM)


Two points, Jenny:

1) What you and the articles you've cited to are essentially saying is that Ron Paul hopes to become the Republican nominee by causing the republican party to go against a majority of its voting members.

2) Do you really think that the Republican leadership will let that happen? Forgive the unfortunate pun, but I don't think that the party leadership would want the party to be so undemocratic.
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#1670883 - 02/29/12 02:48 AM Re: Maybe Obama should be reelected... TB 12
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Romney entered the night the delegate leader in The Associated Press count.

He had 123, compared to 72 for Santorum, 32 for Gingrich and 19 for Paul. It takes 1,144 to win the nomination at the Republican National Convention in Tampa next summer.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/.../#ixzz1njibcehJ
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#1670904 - 02/29/12 10:10 AM Re: Maybe Obama should be reelected... DD Regs
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