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#280177 - 11/26/04 03:25 AM
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This weeks episode aside, Andy in the cab with a Pepsi in his hand "I can't believe he fired me, in front of millions. I'll never be able to get another job." That was great as the cab driver turns around, "Yes you will", said Roj!
I will say I was disappointed that the work done wasn't considered in the end, but rather who can talk the fastest and loudest in the boardroom. Is that spunk or rudeness.
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#280178 - 11/26/04 02:13 PM
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Ever wonder why someone wants to go to work for a man who's companies have filed bankruptcy more times than Carter has pills?
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#280179 - 11/26/04 03:40 PM
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It was funny to see Raj as the cab driver in the end. I really wasn't surprised it was Andy that was fired though. He was the PM and the bottle presented was his concept. I really thought it was a funny looking bottle. Andy also got a little crazy giving money to the design team and keeping them from eating their pizza.
As for Sandy, Andy and Jen plotted against her in the end and I think Sandy did what she had to in the boardroom to defend herself. I really hope Jen is the next to go because she has skated by too many times!
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#280180 - 11/26/04 04:49 PM
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I can't stand Jen. Obviously she is getting by on her looks. I'm sure we have all met someone like that at one point or another. I hadn't paid much attention to Sandy, but yesterday she was impressive.
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#280181 - 11/29/04 03:15 PM
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I missed seeing Andy in the cab, so I didn't get to see Raj, that sounds funny! I figured Andy would go home pretty soon, so wasn't completely surprised that it was this show (although I think Sandy should have been called to task for her awful presentation.) Their bottle design was bad and the stuff Andy pulled with the money and the pizza were not really appropriate.
I liked Kelly's team's bottle a lot and thought they did the best job, and to be so organized that they finished early, what a nice change for them.
Jen must be brighter than she's being edited as, she is an attorney. (Or maybe not.) I still don't think she'll win, but she can't be as dumb as all that. I think she's better than Sandy though.
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#280183 - 11/29/04 04:41 PM
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That's actually what I think Jen's problem is - she's book smart but not creative or street smart. I hope she doesn't win. I don't actually think she will, I think it's going to come down to Kelly or Kevin.
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#280184 - 12/01/04 08:29 PM
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FYI: Recap episode tonight. New episode tomorrow. They're going to have to street sell the new M&Ms candy bars. Ivana/Kelly/Kevin look like tourists. Sandy & Jen are wearing matching red tanks and short skirts, they look much happier and I have a feeling they win. I'm thinking Ivana gets fired.
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#280185 - 12/01/04 09:15 PM
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Ooops! Playing that sex card again, huh?!
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#280186 - 12/01/04 09:17 PM
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Capitalizing on their ass.......ets, most likely.
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#280187 - 12/02/04 12:44 AM
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I'll see the new episode tomorrow. Tonight I hope to see Rudolph. It would be so cool if one of the commercials was Santa riding down the slope on a Norelco electric razor.
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#280188 - 12/03/04 03:29 PM
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So what did everyone think of Ivana's so called gimmick on the Apprentice last night? Outrageous! I was embarrassed for her!  She let Jen get under her skin so much that she was willing to do anything. Out of the four left, who do you think should win? My vote is for Kevin or Kelly.
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#280190 - 12/03/04 04:22 PM
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There is a difference between playing the sex card and playing the stupid card. As Carolyn stated, she wasn't selling candy bars. Shame on you Ivana.
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#280192 - 12/03/04 04:34 PM
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You are right, the two ladies did work well together after their fight in the boardroom last week. I was really surprised. The women had the advantage in this task though because of their looks. Sex sells.
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#280194 - 12/03/04 04:46 PM
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You are right, the two ladies did work well together after their fight in the boardroom last week. I was really surprised. The women had the advantage in this task though because of their looks. Sex sells.
Yes, but they didn't use SEX to sell, they actually dressed somewhat conservatively, but dressed in the same colors and made sure they were attractive but not selling SEX.
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#280195 - 12/03/04 04:48 PM
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Concur - pricing was not the issue here. The issue was that Sandy/Jen had a good, well thought out plan and looked attractive and used that to their advantage. They also had the marketing van to fall back on to attract attention, although it doesn't look like they needed it.
The other team, by contrast, looked like shysters hawking peanuts at a ball game. And Ivana spent so much time worrying about what the other team was doing she couldn't pay attention to her own business. Dropping her skirt was COMPLETELY unprofessional and I think Trump said it all: "You stripped. I don't hire strippers."
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#280196 - 12/03/04 04:49 PM
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I wouldn't describe their dress as conservative. They had on low cut tank tops and one of them had on a short skirt. They dressed that way for a reason. That is how they were getting $5/candy bar.
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#280200 - 12/03/04 04:59 PM
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I don't disagree that Ivana should have been fired. Like I said before, her actions were outrageous and she got what she deserved. My only point is that the ladies used their looks to their advantage, which was fine, it worked, and they didn't have to go overboard the way Ivana did.
What got me was that Ivana was saying the other ladies looked like hookers and then she turns around and drops her skirt. Go figure.
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#280201 - 12/03/04 05:11 PM
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I didn't think they looked like hookers. Hooters girls, maybe.......
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#280203 - 12/03/04 10:33 PM
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They really put Ivana in a tough spot. There was nothing she could do to win because she knew they were selling even though they were overpriced. She was pretty stupid to drop her skirt though. If she wouldn't have done that, Kevin may have gotten it for changing the pricing. Either way, she wouldn't have been the last one standing anyway. Same for Jen, I really can't see Trump hiring her. She may squeak by every week but in the end, he won't have anyone he isn't completly confident in.
I think the other three are all pretty good but I'm pulling for Sandy. Maybe Kevin. Kelly is a little too arrogant for me, not that he wouldn't be good.
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#280204 - 12/04/04 01:02 AM
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after their fight in the boardroom
They didn't fight with each other. They yelled at Andy. Trump mistakenly called it a debate and says that people have to stand up for themselves. Funny, I don't recall that type of behavior in our boardroom or loan committees. In the monthly loan committee when we're looking at charge offs, if I were to yell, "I didn't make a bad loan, it went bad, I'd do it again" that wouldn't make it cost any less and no one would say "he had spunk." Is Donald's boardroom handled this way?
Bottom line, Ivanna started out poorly, did well on the jeans, but was desperate to sell candy bars.
Kevin should have known how many bars he sold and calculated what he would have had to sell them for to make up the difference. Bet it couldn't have been done. And when they commented that Ivanna wasn't selling candy bars, she wasn't. But the other two gals were definitely on the "sex sells" side of the equation. Who'd spend $5 for a candy bar. They just weren't as blatant.
And how about their reward! A trip to advertise Trump's new building. I'd rather go back to that jewelry store.
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#280206 - 12/10/04 02:41 PM
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Did you see her duck the PM position yet again in attempting to fly under the radar? Guess it worked for her since she made it to the final 4. I think Kelly will win it all.
I didn't see the show last night but I saw on NBC's website that Kelly and Jennifer are the finalist. I expected Kelly to make but I don't understand how Jennifer was selected. She must have interviewed incredibly well. 
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#280207 - 12/10/04 02:52 PM
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Trump likes the fact that Jennifer can argue. She has done that well on a number of occasions. She usually has to argue about why she shouldn't be fired. Well Donald, lets put 2 and 2 together. She doesn't perform in the first place.
Kelly will have to be the winner unless he blows it big time. If Jennifer wins, she needs to be put in charge of the casino operations. It is already bankrupt.
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#280208 - 12/10/04 03:19 PM
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I'll promise this - if Jennifer wins, I'm done with watching any future versions of this show. I still can't get past the Levi's task where she was TOTALLY clueless, yet stepped in to take all the glory at the presentation. Was she project manager on any task?
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#280211 - 12/10/04 04:35 PM
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Not necessarily because she is the better candidate, but because I don't know how the show is going to survive if everyone sees two white males winning. This is television and if it doesn't get some diversity, people are going to be screaming!
I dunno, man. Seems to me that non-white non-male people win on reality shows with some frequency. Kwame almost pulled it off on the first season of The Apprentice and didn't Kevin (I think that was his name) make it to the F4 on this season? I would hesitate to say that because two white dudes won the first time around, there's a taint of discrimination.
I do think that more minorities could've been cast to start with, though.
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#280213 - 12/10/04 05:08 PM
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I thought Trump totally contradicted himself last night. He chose Jennifer over Sandy because he thought Jennifer's big education and fancy lawyer job would prepare her better for the complexities of his company. Ah, didn't Bill Rancic (last year's winner) have just a bachelor's degree and own his own cigar business. Yet he was qualified for the complex work they do.
I have much more respect for the risks that Sandy took in her career path, than Jennifer (moving across the county to accept a six-figure salary doesn't seem very risky to me), and felt she performed better throughout the show.
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#280214 - 12/10/04 06:17 PM
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Not necessarily because she is the better candidate, but because I don't know how the show is going to survive if everyone sees two white males winning. This is television and if it doesn't get some diversity, people are going to be screaming!
I dunno, man. Seems to me that non-white non-male people win on reality shows with some frequency. Kwame almost pulled it off on the first season of The Apprentice and didn't Kevin (I think that was his name) make it to the F4 on this season? I would hesitate to say that because two white dudes won the first time around, there's a taint of discrimination.
I do think that more minorities could've been cast to start with, though.
As a non-white, non-male I hope that the person most qualified for the job will be hired. In this case that person is obviously Kelly. HOWEVER reality shows aren't always about reality...
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#280216 - 12/14/04 05:00 PM
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I saw an article today that said that board room episode was actually 4 hours long as Trump couldn't make up his mind. While he said Kevin was long on education and short on experience, Kelly has similar degrees and Jennifer was also short on experience.
Jennifer thought she was a risk taker because she moved across the country. That is nowhere close to opening a business and putting all that goes with it on the line, in my book. There is a huge difference between a salary/billable hours and will I clear enough to pay the bills and keep something for me.
And I still come back to board room etiquette. Are these supposed to be professional discussions or cat fights with screaming? Oops, the latter is TV ratings. Sorry for such a dumb comment.
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#280217 - 12/14/04 05:04 PM
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I didn't get to see the last episode yet, but I cannot believe Jennifer is one of the finalist. I think Kelly deserves it. He worked hard and did pretty well thoughout the show. I just wish it would have been between him and Kevin, because both did well. But as Andy said, this is TV and it is about ratings.
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#280218 - 12/14/04 06:25 PM
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Kelly's biggest obstacle may be Raj as Raj has said he didn't give a dam about Kelly winning. Hopefully he'll still take pride in what he does and how it reflects on him.
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#280220 - 12/14/04 08:37 PM
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So, is the finale on tonight?
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#280221 - 12/14/04 09:35 PM
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So, is the finale on tonight?
The finale is on Thursday 12/16/04
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#280222 - 12/14/04 10:47 PM
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And watch your time. Central it is at 7, not 8. I believe it is 3 hours.
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#280224 - 12/15/04 05:46 PM
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I too got to watch last weeks episode last night. I agree, I think (hope) Kelly will win. Jennifer's true colors are coming out now that she is the one in chage of it all. The company she is setting up the benefit for are real unhappy with her up to this point. It will be interesting to see how it all turns out.
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#280226 - 12/16/04 02:32 PM
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Be careful here. Those who edit the show can make it look many ways and tonight we'll see, as Paul Harvey would say, the rest of the story.
Will it rain on Kelly's parade and with no back up will he be crucified or justified? Will Jennifer's team save her rear or will she sit on it on her own?
Personally, last season someone made the observation that as no. 2 you weren't stuck with Trump and had great offers. I'd like to see how "successful" (as you'd define those terms in this context) Bill and Kwamie are now that it has been awhile.
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#280227 - 12/16/04 03:34 PM
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I heard Kwamie made over half a million last year thanks to this show. He's probably making more than Bill.
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#280228 - 12/17/04 03:54 AM
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Way to go Kelly. He deserves the win. Jennifer is ready to fight, but her experience was far short of her oral presentations. (A nice way to say mouth. She is talk.)
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#280230 - 12/17/04 03:36 PM
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Jen sure wouldn't shut up last night. It was her last effort to try and get somewhere, but all it got her was fired. YES!!! (Although I was a little bit worried for a minute there).
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#280232 - 12/17/04 04:35 PM
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Did anyone else notice that when Trump asked each why he should hire them, Jen would bash Kelly, yet Kelly never bashed Jen. She was trying to make herself look good by putting down her opponent.
Also, Did you notice they didn't show Jen for a long time after the announcement? I think she left to compose herself. I think she might have lost it.
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#280234 - 12/17/04 05:00 PM
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She probably did lose it! Trump made the right choice. I think he was probably leaning towards Kelly the whole time. Jen is just a fast talker and Trump like that about her.
What do you think about the theme for next season? Book smarts against street smarts. That will be interesting. That one will be starting in January already.
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#280237 - 12/17/04 06:30 PM
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I thought for a while they were editing it to have Jen as the winner but HOORAY for Kelly. Smart move on his part taking NYC too. I hope he does really well. Jen looked so plastic last night.
I agree, Nikko, I think street smart will rock, I'm really looking forward to seeing the next season (Jan 20!)
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