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#282282 - 11/30/04 10:38 PM
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I heard on ESPN that not only did he go to Ole Miss, he plays like one too...
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#282283 - 11/30/04 11:00 PM
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I'm just happy that during his last meeting with LSU he was looking at the stars qute a bit. Archie Who?
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#282284 - 11/30/04 11:32 PM
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I'll trust Dan Marino's assessment over Michael's near obsessive assessments of Manning. Marino said during the game that it is too early to pass judgment on Mr. Manning. I agree completely. Keep the stats and the opinions on hold until he has a couple of seasons under his belt. I am on his side to make it in the NFL just because I am on every rookie's side to make it. I have no vested interest in this, but, Michael, you seem to get some sort of glee out of his failures. What is up with that? WWJD?
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#282285 - 12/01/04 04:27 AM
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As an Eagles fan, I particularly enjoyed Eli's poor performance on Sunday!  But that doesn't make him a bad quarterback. First, the guy needs an offensive line. He's got good targets in Hilliard, Toomer, Barber, and Shockey, but the Giants O-Line isn't doing any of those guys an ounce of good right now. Regarding the interceptions. Yes, backup backup Quinten Mikkel intercepted in the endzone in one-on-one coverage against Jeremy Shockey. But the blame for that play rests neither with Shockey nor Manning- that one was the coach's fault. When the Giants split Shockey out wide in the red zone, you can count on the fade pass to Shockey- and every defense knows this! The Giants never should have called that play! That being said- here's an interesting stat from week 12: Eli Manning- completed passes: 6 Peyton Manning- touchdown passes: 6
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#282286 - 12/01/04 01:08 PM
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Eli Manning is the third coming of his father! What a great game he had this weekend! Six completions in 21 attempts (less than 33%), 148 yards, zero touchdowns, 2 interceptions. Current QB Rating in the NFL.... 37.9! Remember, the base is around 80%!
don't forget the 5 sacks!!!
and the look of terror on his face everytime he was about to get hit, then just threw the ball away.
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#282287 - 12/01/04 01:37 PM
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Only time will tell whether or not Eli will make it in the NFL...I too like to see rookies succeed. However, I do not agree at all with Coughlin's decision to play Eli when he did. The team was most definitely in the playoff picture and needed a veteran on the field who has been there before. Plus, Eli's first 5 opponent's defense(total defense rankings in parenthesis): Atlanta(19), Philly(15), Washington(2), Baltimore(4), and Pittsburgh(1)...not the easiest way to start a career.
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#282288 - 12/01/04 02:29 PM
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Z, it's not obsessive, I am just enjoying more evidence that my assessment is correct. As for the anon who says Eli's first 5 opponents defenses were ranked 19, 15.... 2 4 and 1... this is one of the reasons I think Eli will ultimately wash out in the NFL. Coaches made the wrong decision in the timing to start him. While Atlanta is ranked #19, they have the best defensive line in the league right now and are getting lots and lots of sacks (as Eli felt). We saw what Philly did to him. Washington, Baltimore, and finally Pittsburgh will eat him alive and leave him at the end of the season thinking "why am I doing this". He will spend the entire offseason thinking, "with this line I'm going to get killed". Not long after that he will realize "now I know how David Klingler felt", and act like a deer caught in the headlights of the oncoming pass rush.
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#282289 - 12/01/04 03:20 PM
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"now I know how David Klingler felt", and act like a deer caught in the headlights of the oncoming pass rush.
Don't forget how David Carr felt.
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#282290 - 12/01/04 03:24 PM
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yea, he had what 70 sacks that year?
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#282293 - 12/01/04 05:20 PM
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Just remember that he (and Daddy) played hardball with the NFL (in the media) by stating that he would not play for San Diego, and would sit out if drafted by them. I'm thinking right now that San Diego is laughing all the way to the bank. Yes, there is no offensive line in NY, but the league sure has hyped him, and in this day of free agency and high salaries, you expect that any first round draft pick is able to immediately step in and play. Eli has not been able to do that in his first 2 games, maybe down the road he can. But, at Old Miss, he was known for choking under pressure.
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#282294 - 12/01/04 05:30 PM
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choking under the pressure is right.
just look at the way he was playing against the eagles blitz. he was terrified.
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#282296 - 12/01/04 05:34 PM
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I dont really recall him being known at Ole Miss for choking at Ole Miss. I think he would be known as the best QB in that schools history and having a career worthy enough to be the #1 pick in the NFL draft.
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#282297 - 12/01/04 07:12 PM
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well, maybe I have that jaded view of Ole Miss, working in Baton Rouge and all (and no, I'm not an LSU fan either)
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#282298 - 12/01/04 08:54 PM
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Hey, I'm not saying he isn't talented, but I seem to remeber Eli tripping on his own laces in the most important play of the LSU - Ole Miss game last year (much to the delight of Tiger fans everywhere). 4th down, the game on the line, and Eli was looking at the stars. I must admit that I didn't see the game, but the radio announcer said that he appeared to trip on his laces and fall backwards. It was a good game, though. Not only were the Tigers national champs, they killed the Heisman hopes of two QB's. That's probably a good thing, considering the lukewarm future that many Heisman's have in the NFL.
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#282299 - 12/01/04 09:07 PM
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Not only were the Tigers national champs, they killed the Heisman hopes of two QB's.
Who was the other Heisman hopeful?
As far as tripping on his own laces, I disagree. I saw the game and Ole Miss and Manning stood in there to the end against an obviously better team. Every QB occasionally stumbles coming out from under center. If it is your QB, you just hope that the timing is not crucial.
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#282302 - 12/01/04 09:20 PM
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I keep thinking this is a Yale booster thread.
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#282303 - 12/01/04 09:22 PM
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I keep thinking this is a Yale booster thread.
Then you can imagine my surprise when I first read the "Real or Fake" thread!  (just kidding)
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#282304 - 12/01/04 09:22 PM
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LOL. Yes, I was expecting that to be a ..... somewhat different thread as well.
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#282305 - 12/01/04 09:33 PM
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Ben hasn't played as well the past couple of weeks...however, look at one number, 0, which is how many INT's he's thrown the past 2 weeks. He is not making the big mistake that puts the team in jeopardy of losing.
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#282306 - 12/01/04 09:37 PM
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Then Ben must be the second coming of Trent Dilfer.
Naw, he's not that good.
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#282308 - 12/01/04 09:50 PM
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As a Steelers fan and a fellow Ben fan, i think we can and should expect far better than the second coming of Culpepper.
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#282309 - 12/01/04 10:05 PM
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The other hopeful would be Jason White. I don't know how close they were to getting the Heisman, but I know they were in the running. I felt bad for Jason White. A lot of people trashed him after the Sugar Bowl for being overrated. I think he and his defensive line did the best they could, but LSU's defense was just amazing! They had a defensive scheme named after every state. When they ran out of states, they used bird names, etc...
I don't really mean to bash Eli. I'm glad to see some SEC boys do well. I don't think that the SEC gets the respect it deserves in the media.
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#282310 - 12/01/04 10:16 PM
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Ben.....the next Bubby Brister.
(I'm just messing with you, I actually like Ben, he could be awesome for a long time).
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#282311 - 12/01/04 10:51 PM
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The other hopeful would be Jason White. I don't know how close they were to getting the Heisman, but I know they were in the running. I felt bad for Jason White. A lot of people trashed him after the Sugar Bowl for being overrated. I think he and his defensive line did the best they could, but LSU's defense was just amazing! They had a defensive scheme named after every state. When they ran out of states, they used bird names, etc...
I don't really mean to bash Eli. I'm glad to see some SEC boys do well. I don't think that the SEC gets the respect it deserves in the media.
But, but, but Jason White was not a Heisman hopeful, he was an injured Heisman winner when he played LSU. I am not saying OU would have beaten LSU with a healthy Jason White. Granted, he did not play well against LSU, but he was injured. Right Boomermom?
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#282312 - 12/01/04 11:02 PM
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Too funny...Bubby Brister lives in a small town called Mandeville, LA, and does advertising for the local Ford dealership...
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#282313 - 12/01/04 11:04 PM
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Injured, I thought he had already undergone bionic reconstruction by that point. (JK) I'm just throwing my hat in the ring for the fun of it. Please don't quote me when I babble about sports. I am confident, however, that the right two teams played in the Sugar Bowl last year.
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#282314 - 12/02/04 01:51 PM
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"I am confident, however, that the right two teams played in the Sugar Bowl last year."
I don't think we want to make this a BCS bashing thread...however, I would be interested in seeing what everyone thinks about this.
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#282316 - 12/06/04 02:50 PM
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QB ratings aren't a percentage. Do you mean his completion percentage?
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#282319 - 12/06/04 03:47 PM
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Hey, Ricky did not wash out in the NFL--he succeeded on the field. It is in his head that he did not succeed!
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#282321 - 12/06/04 04:47 PM
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Yeah, if the guy could get his head on straight, he might not be a Hall of Famer, but he could be a good back for a few years and retire with a bunch of money in the bank.
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#282322 - 12/06/04 05:29 PM
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Now playing on ESPN:
"Up in Smoke: The Ricky Williams Story"
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#282323 - 12/06/04 05:44 PM
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Anyone know what happened to the others that were nominated the same year as Ricky Williams?
I wasn't commenting on his ability, it's just a shame that someone wins the grandest award in college football and instead of being a role model for other college athletes, he proves himself as a poster child for bad boy behavior. He whines, he complains and then he decides to take his toys and go home. Fine, the NFL is better off without the likes of him.
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#282324 - 12/06/04 05:52 PM
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Anyone know what happened to the others that were nominated the same year as Ricky Williams?
Bob Marley?
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#282327 - 12/08/04 07:15 PM
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yeah, guess this proves that Eli will never amount to anything. Giants should cut him now and move on.
Yeah, sounds like the second coming of John Elway's, Troy Aikman's, and Terry Bradshaw's rookie seasons--I'd definitely cut him. It is not worth the risk. I'd much rather pay him to be off the team than to pay him to continue to be a disruptive force on the team. Good riddance to bad trash, I say!
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#282328 - 12/08/04 07:25 PM
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"Under Kurt Warner, the Giants were 5-4 and outscored opponents 186 to 158. Since Eli Manning took over, the Giants have gone 0-3 and have been outscored 72-23"
This says that the Giants should never have started Eli this year...they were in contention for the playoffs under Warner (and still are if they put him back in). They should have followed (and i still can't belive i'm saying this) the plan that the Bungles used for Carson Palmer. He sat his entire rookie year (didn't even take a snap in a blowout) and look at the improvement he is showing this year.
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#282331 - 12/08/04 07:56 PM
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Glad to see you agree!! From one Ohioan to another (and Big Ben fan). Sorry for the Bungles reference though, i'm a Steelers guy too.
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Here are his first year stats:
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