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#358313 - 05/11/05 05:16 PM foreign passports
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Does anyone know if there are minimum standards that all passports (foreign) will have? Such as, do they all contain an issue and expiration date? In the "Alien Identification Procedures" found in the Lender Tool on BOL this appears:

Passport Identification Pages:
All passports, either in the front or back, have identification pages, usually facing, which contain at a minimum,
(1) holder's picture,
(2) holder's signature,
(3) country of issue,
(4) holder's permanent address at time of issuance,
(5) date of issuance,
(6) date of expiration.
Some passports have all this information on the same page as the holder's picture.

However, as I am not a front line employee, I am not familiar with foreing passports, and if I see one documented for "documentary verification" for CIP and the branch employee did not indicate an issue date or an expiration date, they are telling me that the passport did not have one.

Any thoughts or comments? Any other source you know of where I can get more info?

Thanks.
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#358314 - 05/12/05 04:19 PM Re: foreign passports
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Anyone Please???
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#358315 - 05/12/05 04:44 PM Re: foreign passports
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Quote:

...the branch employee did not indicate an issue date or an expiration date, they are telling me that the passport did not have one.




Just because the branch person didn't indicate it doesn't mean it wasn't there. I've not seen a passport that did not have isssue and expiration dates on it. (I will admit to limited exposure to passports.)

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#358316 - 05/12/05 05:38 PM Re: foreign passports
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That is EXACTLY my problem. I am trying to audit our compliance with our CIP and the PATRIOT Act and this is the issue I am facing. If I tell a branch manager he has an audit exception becuase they did not document an expiration date of a Ukranian Passport (hypothetical secnario), the manager tells me that it may not have had one.

Any ideas?
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#358317 - 05/12/05 05:56 PM Re: foreign passports
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...the manager tells me that it may not have had one.




Tell the manager that "Nothing in my research has shown this is possible."

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#358318 - 05/12/05 06:02 PM Re: foreign passports
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I would love to say that, but I have no proof and no research to back this up.

Oh well...thanks anyway...and if anyone else out there has info, please comment.

Thanks.
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#358319 - 05/12/05 06:55 PM Re: foreign passports
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I would suggest searching government or consulate websites for passport examples. We perform quite a bit of research on identity documents and have found these types of sites very useful.

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#358320 - 05/12/05 06:57 PM Re: foreign passports
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You HAVE researched this. And so have others before you.

Quote:

In the "Alien Identification Procedures" found in the Lender Tool on BOL this appears:

Passport Identification Pages:
All passports, either in the front or back, have identification pages, usually facing, which contain at a minimum,
(1) holder's picture,
(2) holder's signature,
(3) country of issue,
(4) holder's permanent address at time of issuance,
(5) date of issuance,
(6) date of expiration.
Some passports have all this information on the same page as the holder's picture.





My quick on-line search showed numerous countries talking about expiration dates on passports. Visas are limited terms too.

The hardest part of compliance is standing your ground.

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#358321 - 05/12/05 09:27 PM Re: foreign passports
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Thanks for the reinforcement.
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