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#1004880 - 07/25/08 04:16 PM Obama entrances Europe in vague tones
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Even the liberal standard bearer New York Times is saying Obama is short on details.

I guess they are racists too.

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#1004887 - 07/25/08 04:19 PM Re: Obama entrances Europe in vague tones straw
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but he was a barack star in Berlin
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#1004890 - 07/25/08 04:20 PM Re: Obama entrances Europe in vague tones Pale Rider
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#1004913 - 07/25/08 04:27 PM Re: Obama entrances Europe in vague tones #Just Jay
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i guess providing details like a gas tax is better.

it would be a horrible thing to have other countries like us again.

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#1004920 - 07/25/08 04:29 PM Re: Obama entrances Europe in vague tones Hated By Some
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They like us, they really like us....
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#1004921 - 07/25/08 04:29 PM Re: Obama entrances Europe in vague tones Hated By Some
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No, a more horrible thing would be to provide details about any policy other than a strict timetable for Iraq. Why bother with little tidbits when, as even the NY Times points out, you can just be vague.

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#1004922 - 07/25/08 04:29 PM Re: Obama entrances Europe in vague tones MB Guy
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is that a bad thing?

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#1004923 - 07/25/08 04:29 PM Re: Obama entrances Europe in vague tones Hated By Some
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Is it a good thing?

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#1004927 - 07/25/08 04:31 PM Re: Obama entrances Europe in vague tones straw
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Originally Posted By: straw
No, a more horrible thing would be to provide details about any policy other than a strict timetable for Iraq. Why bother with little tidbits when, as even the NY Times points out, you can just be vague.


i guess your sheep swallow your hyperbole whole. his website provides details. i guess changing a mindset and inspiring people is worthless.

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#1004928 - 07/25/08 04:31 PM Re: Obama entrances Europe in vague tones straw
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Originally Posted By: straw
Is it a good thing?

yes

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#1004932 - 07/25/08 04:32 PM Re: Obama entrances Europe in vague tones Hated By Some
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No, a more horrible thing would be to provide details about any policy other than a strict timetable for Iraq. Why bother with little tidbits when, as even the NY Times points out, you can just be vague.


i guess your sheep swallow your hyperbole whole. his website provides details. i guess changing a mindset and inspiring people is worthless.


So what you saying that the New York Times is anti-Obama. Their article says it right in the headline.

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#1004934 - 07/25/08 04:32 PM Re: Obama entrances Europe in vague tones Hated By Some
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Is it a good thing?

yes


So better to be popular than do what is best for the US. Great policy.

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#1004936 - 07/25/08 04:33 PM Re: Obama entrances Europe in vague tones Hated By Some
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That depends; if we have to become socialists, then no, that's not worth being liked and admired by other countries.
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#1004939 - 07/25/08 04:34 PM Re: Obama entrances Europe in vague tones straw
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ooh, don't miss the press conference goin on now with Sarkozy


the One is stumbling and ahhing so much the camera had to go to his hand gesters.......
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#1004941 - 07/25/08 04:35 PM Re: Obama entrances Europe in vague tones straw
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Originally Posted By: Citizen McCain
Originally Posted By: straw
Is it a good thing?

yes


So better to be popular than do what is best for the US. Great policy.

because conservatives always know what's best! like stewarding our economy and invading iraq instead of focusing on afghanistan.

and, yes, having people like you and be more willing to work with you is better than what w and mccain will do.

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#1004944 - 07/25/08 04:36 PM Re: Obama entrances Europe in vague tones MB Guy
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Originally Posted By: Pres. of The UN
That depends; if we have to become socialists, then no, that's not worth being liked and admired by other countries.

by what measure? relative to european countries? not even close, mark, and you know it.

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#1004949 - 07/25/08 04:38 PM Re: Obama entrances Europe in vague tones Hated By Some
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BO's speech sure gave me that impression, Ron....
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#1004954 - 07/25/08 04:39 PM Re: Obama entrances Europe in vague tones MB Guy
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why did he take the visit to the wounded troops off his schedule?
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#1004956 - 07/25/08 04:40 PM Re: Obama entrances Europe in vague tones Pale Rider
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And you had to enjoy his comments about America and torture....
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#1004958 - 07/25/08 04:42 PM Re: Obama entrances Europe in vague tones MB Guy
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Originally Posted By: Pres. of The UN
BO's speech sure gave me that impression, Ron....

why do you say that other than the fact that you don't listen and just convert his words into a stereotype/caricature in your head?

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#1004963 - 07/25/08 04:43 PM Re: Obama entrances Europe in vague tones MB Guy
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Originally Posted By: Pres. of The UN
And you had to enjoy his comments about America and torture....

what were they? based on the way that you said it, do you think that america can claim the moral high ground while torturing people?

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#1004968 - 07/25/08 04:44 PM Re: Obama entrances Europe in vague tones Hated By Some
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Originally Posted By: Citizen McCain
Originally Posted By: straw
Originally Posted By: Citizen McCain
Originally Posted By: straw
Is it a good thing?

yes


So better to be popular than do what is best for the US. Great policy.

because conservatives always know what's best! like stewarding our economy and invading iraq instead of focusing on afghanistan.

and, yes, having people like you and be more willing to work with you is better than what w and mccain will do.


SO if the choice is standing up for your country and beliefs but being disliked, or capitulating (as Europeans do on everything) but be liked, your ilk would rather be liked. Got it.

I don't know where the perception comes from that you and your ilk are weak.

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#1004979 - 07/25/08 04:47 PM Re: Obama entrances Europe in vague tones Hated By Some
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LOL, yeah Ron, I'm THE ONLY ONE who heard the speech in that manner.

Why do you say I stereotype him?

What do you mean by that?
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#1004983 - 07/25/08 04:48 PM Re: Obama entrances Europe in vague tones straw
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compare Kennedy and Reagan speeches to this One

what a contrast!
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#1004988 - 07/25/08 04:51 PM Re: Obama entrances Europe in vague tones straw
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Quote:
if the choice is standing up for your country and beliefs

again with this arrogance that only your policies and beliefs are the correct ones.

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