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#1025254 - 08/21/08 05:37 PM
Re: Man, how "rich" has changed
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It cannot be in order to do what Obama has claimed he intends to do. as far as tax rates go, you are incorrect. however, claims to end the deficit are bogus. again, i agree with you there. nd every penny we are taxed is more valuable now than it was then. a tax rate of 35% is still 35% whether is on $10 or $1000000. your point makes no sense.
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#1025259 - 08/21/08 05:38 PM
Re: Man, how "rich" has changed
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Democrats want it high for everyone. not for sub 250k earners, you liar.
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#1025266 - 08/21/08 05:41 PM
Re: Man, how "rich" has changed
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Obama on the other hand knows exactly how many houses he owns, and which convicted financier helped him purchase it at below market value.
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#1025274 - 08/21/08 05:46 PM
Re: Man, how "rich" has changed
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It cannot be in order to do what Obama has claimed he intends to do. as far as tax rates go, you are incorrect. however, claims to end the deficit are bogus. again, i agree with you there. nd every penny we are taxed is more valuable now than it was then. a tax rate of 35% is still 35% whether is on $10 or $1000000. your point makes no sense. But if you had $100,000 before, and it was worth $100,000, and you needed only $90,000, and I taxed you $10,000, you can be ok. On the other hand, if that same $100,000 is now worth $90,000 and you still need $90,000, and you tax me $10,000.....
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#1025277 - 08/21/08 05:47 PM
Re: Man, how "rich" has changed
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Honestly, it doesn't bother me if someone doesn't know how many houses they own. If you have a fair amount of wealth, whether it's yours or your spouses, houses are just an investment, not your primary residence. Sometimes when you have financial advisors managing your portfolios, I am sure you could lose just how many investment properties you have.
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#1025280 - 08/21/08 05:48 PM
Re: Man, how "rich" has changed
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Yep. I don't know that someone who can't answer the simple question "how many houses do you own?" is 'ready to lead'. The questions asked of the President on a daily basis are likely to be harder than that one.... Perhaps because HE doesn't own them all? Perhaps his wife owns some? Perhaps he has an investment that buys properties for rentals, flips, etc., and honestly doesn't know exactly how many properties he owns?
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#1025286 - 08/21/08 05:53 PM
Re: Man, how "rich" has changed
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Honestly, it doesn't bother me if someone doesn't know how many houses they own. If you have a fair amount of wealth, whether it's yours or your spouses, houses are just an investment, not your primary residence. Sometimes when you have financial advisors managing your portfolios, I am sure you could lose just how many investment properties you have. ok ::rolls eyes::
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#1025300 - 08/21/08 06:01 PM
Re: Man, how "rich" has changed
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What he meant to say is that his wife owns some, some are in Czechoslovakia, and the he, himself, owns no houses, and lives ....in a van....down by the river. And then he will waive his hand and say, "These are *not* the houses you are looking for."
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#1025308 - 08/21/08 06:05 PM
Re: Man, how "rich" has changed
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Yep. I don't know that someone who can't answer the simple question "how many houses do you own?" is 'ready to lead'. The questions asked of the President on a daily basis are likely to be harder than that one.... Perhaps because HE doesn't own them all? Perhaps his wife owns some? Perhaps he has an investment that buys properties for rentals, flips, etc., and honestly doesn't know exactly how many properties he owns? I see. It depends on what the definition of 'he and his wife'is or what the definition of 'owns' is... Perhaps he needs to clarify his answer?
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#1025314 - 08/21/08 06:07 PM
Re: Man, how "rich" has changed
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Yep. I don't know that someone who can't answer the simple question "how many houses do you own?" is 'ready to lead'. The questions asked of the President on a daily basis are likely to be harder than that one.... Perhaps because HE doesn't own them all? Perhaps his wife owns some? Perhaps he has an investment that buys properties for rentals, flips, etc., and honestly doesn't know exactly how many properties he owns? I see. It depends on what the definition of 'he and his wife'is or what the definition of 'owns' is... Perhaps he needs to clarify his answer? why? Bengalsfan seems happy enough to clarify it for him.
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#1025317 - 08/21/08 06:08 PM
Re: Man, how "rich" has changed
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Yep. I don't know that someone who can't answer the simple question "how many houses do you own?" is 'ready to lead'. The questions asked of the President on a daily basis are likely to be harder than that one.... Perhaps because HE doesn't own them all? Perhaps his wife owns some? Perhaps he has an investment that buys properties for rentals, flips, etc., and honestly doesn't know exactly how many properties he owns? I see. It depends on what the definition of 'he and his wife'is or what the definition of 'owns' is... Perhaps he needs to clarify his answer? he needs to give Bill Clinton a call, so Clinton can guide him in the definition of what "is is."
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#1025318 - 08/21/08 06:09 PM
Re: Man, how "rich" has changed
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Yep. I don't know that someone who can't answer the simple question "how many houses do you own?" is 'ready to lead'. The questions asked of the President on a daily basis are likely to be harder than that one.... Perhaps because HE doesn't own them all? Perhaps his wife owns some? Perhaps he has an investment that buys properties for rentals, flips, etc., and honestly doesn't know exactly how many properties he owns? I see. It depends on what the definition of 'he and his wife'is or what the definition of 'owns' is... Perhaps he needs to clarify his answer? why? Bengalsfan seems happy enough to clarify it for him. Once again, which candidate has come out and had to clarify statement after statement? One clue? It's NOT McCain.
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#1025332 - 08/21/08 06:15 PM
Re: Man, how "rich" has changed
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Honestly, it doesn't bother me if someone doesn't know how many houses they own. If you have a fair amount of wealth, whether it's yours or your spouses, houses are just an investment, not your primary residence. Sometimes when you have financial advisors managing your portfolios, I am sure you could lose just how many investment properties you have. ok ::rolls eyes:: Wow. Wittier than most of your posts.
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#1025411 - 08/21/08 06:45 PM
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this is all smoke and mirrors by the DNC so that the One doesn't have to explain how he supports infanticide (and how he is lying about it now)
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#1025452 - 08/21/08 07:02 PM
Re: Man, how "rich" has changed
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this is all smoke and mirrors by the DNC so that the One doesn't have to explain how he supports infanticide (and how he is lying about it now) Infanticide? What are you talking about? I haven't heard this. (I hope you're not talking about abortion.)
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#1025488 - 08/21/08 07:16 PM
Re: Man, how "rich" has changed
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no bugs, he voted 3 times against a bill as a state senator which would have required another doctor to be present when an abortion had been botched, that is, when a baby survived outside the womb
Obama has stated that would just go against the wishes of the birth mother and be to "bothersome"
check out the transcripts or view the testimony he gave - its just appalling
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#1025494 - 08/21/08 07:20 PM
Re: Man, how "rich" has changed
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Read for yourself Bugs: How Babies Were Left to Die: Nurse Recounts Horrors of Infanticide Practice Barack Obama Protected By John Jalsevac August 12, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - At the same time that the National Right to Life Committee has unearthed documents proving that Barack Obama repeatedly voted against a bill that would have protected children born alive after an attempted abortion, Illuminati Pictures has released a video of an interview with a nurse who witnessed the very practice that Obama protected while in the Illinois senate (See: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/aug/08081101.html ). Jill Stanek was a nurse at Christ Hospital in Oak Lawn, Illinois in 1999 when she discovered that babies born alive after failed abortions purposely were being left to die in the "soiled utility room," which, says Stanek, is a room where biohazard materials and soiled linens are disposed of. "That's where nursing staff took these babies and left them to die." Stanek went public with her traumatizing experiences when hospital staff refused to stop the practice of infanticide. In 2000 she was asked to testify before a U.S. House committee for the federal Born Alive Infants Protection Act (BAIPA). The BAIPA was a two-paragraph bill intended to clarify that any baby who is entirely expelled from his or her mother, and who shows any signs of life, is to be regarded as a legal "person" for all federal law purposes, whether or not the baby was born during an attempted abortion. A version of this bill, almost identical to the federal bill, was eventually brought before the Illinois Senate, which is where Obama repeatedly opposed the measure. "Christ hospital - and we now know other hospitals and clinics around the country - are involved in an abortion procedure called 'induced labor abortion,'" says Stanek in the video, entitled "Kill and Destroy". In this type of abortion, she says, the abortionist inserts a medication into the birth canal of the mother and induces premature labor. "My experience was that they [the babies] survive as short as a few minutes, to once, almost as long as an eight hour shift. "To be clear these were living babies who were left out to die. And they were issued both birth and death certificates according to Illinois state law." Stanek relates the story of how one night she saw a nurse bringing a baby to the soiled utility room to die, because the parents of the child did not want to hold it. The other nurse also did not have the time to hold the child. "When she told me what she was doing I couldn't bear the thought of this suffering child dying alone," says Stanek. "And so I cradled and rocked him for the forty-five minutes that he lived." Stanek recounts how, besides testifying before the federal House, she also testified before an Illinois State Senate Committee, a Committee on which Barack Obama sat. "Barack Obama," she says, "was unmoved, and actually opposed the Born Alive Infant Protection Act." Snip...... Life Site News
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#1025504 - 08/21/08 07:29 PM
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This still sickens me and I have read it before.
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#1025507 - 08/21/08 07:30 PM
Re: Man, how "rich" has changed
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at Christ Hospital in Oak Lawn, Illinois ...babies born alive after failed abortions purposely were being left to die in the "soiled utility room"... "I think America's greatest moral failure in my lifetime has been that we still don't abide by that basic precept in Matthew that whatever you do for the least of my brothers, you do for me..." - Barack Obama, 8/16/08, apparently not referring to babies born alive due to a botched abortion
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