statism and elitism versus genuine heroes that get things done

it really is devastating to those that have eyes and ears

Please, even as a moderate conservative who is trying to find a good reason to support Mccain's ticket, to say that being the mayor to less than 10k people for a very few years, and the govenor of the fourth smallest populated, and sixth smallest GDP by state for under two years can be considered experience, is a joke.

At least the big O has been in state and federal legistatures for the last 12 years, which is more time in government as compared to Bush serving only five years as govenor during good economic times before deciding to run for president.

I voted for Bush in both of his elections... why was the experience and time in government not an issue back then as it is now??

Did we learn something from that experience, or are we just using experience, or time shall we say, as a cop out because it is about the only thing McCain has going for himself right now?

I am clearly not the party base, but choosing Palin for me has only put more doubt in my mind about McCain's choices. How does one pick as a running mate someone who basically opposes most of your major viewpoints? She may be a good choice for the base, but I am not so sure she is a good choice for the ticket.

My vote is still up for grabs at this point, and he is going to have to do one helluva job in the debates to earn my vote right now.

Obama is the one to vote for...because Ron says so...anyhting else...well, you're just wasting your vote...of course, Ron chose not to vote in the last election, so it is kind of funny that he is telling us how to vote in this one...

JJ, I wouldn't expect McCain to win over anyone with this pick unless she can prove herself in the campaign. If she falls down, he's not going to look real good. On the other hand, if she goes toe-to-toe with Biden in the debate and holds her own, her reputation/experience as a maverick and reformer will make the pick look better. Time will tell.

I think the VP debate might be the better of the debates. But then obama will be without a telepompter so I guess with the POTUS debates we can watch and see how many feet he can stick in his mouth

Even without the teleprompter, he can just respond "hope and change" over and over again, and his sheep will fall under the hypnotic spell.

is this wishful thinking that he can't think on his feet or what? i hope that you are depending on this "observation" come debate time.

Would you please stop insulting those of us that support Obama!! I am not "sheep". I have made my decision based on my beliefs, based on my considered investigation of both men and what they stand for. I believe that this country cannot afford 4 more years of the same old failed policies, that everyone in this country deserves to have a government that is actually 'for the people, by the people', not just the rich. I believe that Obama can and will lead this country well, making the changes that we need to help every citizen have a better life. He won't be able to do everything he says he wants to but I believe he will do more for the lower and middle class in this country than McCain will. He will do more for the women in this country than McCain will. I may be wrong, you may be wrong, only time will tell but in the meantime a little respect for those of us that support the opposing view would be appreciated. Not that I expect it but it would be nice.

Guess you all finally got my 'dander up'. I will not debate this here (or anywhere for that matter), this post just really was the straw that broke the camels back tonight. Now I will leave and go back to the couch in my own home with my hubby, watching the coverage on the hurricane and praying for those in the path.

Here here!!!

(I apologize, corky, if anything I said in these political threads offended you. It was certainly not my intent.)

Something like this?


The plan is to hope for change, and to change for hope. We hope that this plan changes so that we can further plan for hope. Let’s change our hope so that we can plan to hope some more for change and hope. I hope you will join me in this plan for change.

Fine Corky, I'll be a little more sensitive since you are complaining about it. But don't expect me to sit idly by while certain insincere, willfully blind and intellectually dishonest BOLers post the equal but opposite horsesh!t directed at those who take my position in these political discussions. If you want to get on your soapbox and call me to task on this, fine no problem, but try alluding to the same for those (and we know damn well whom we are talking about) who insult we who support McCain.

Fair enough, as long as your comments are directed to you know who and not the rest of us that support Obama. I have not argued with anyone here to push my point of view or my political preferences and respect your right to voice your opinion on your choice for President. I am just asking for that same respect and from what you have said I believe that you (and hopefully others) will honor that.

Corky, have you read Obama's books? Have you researched his history of what he did on the Harvard Law Review? Did you find anything he accomplished? Can you tell me what he's done to warrant being a candidate for the highest office in this land other than vote present more than half the time he was there for a yay or nay vote in the senate?

You got it Corky!!!

BF, corky's no slacker. She's made her choice based on sound reasoning, believe me. She doesn't need to read his book. Undoubtedly she's aware of his record because he's her senator. She's asked us all to be respectful of her choice so please, go argue with Ron, ok?

I'd like to know what sound reasoning she has used t odetermine that he is the right choice. Ron has avoided that question all together. If she's done research, I would like to hear what she found that intrigued her enough to make him the right choice. She's the first to have sound reasoning behind that choice that I have had a chance to hear from.

I'm not looking for an argument, I just want to know what it is that he offers that makes him so attractive in a way other than sheepdom.

she probably loved the book where he was a racist.

Once again, Ron, I'm asking for someone who used reason and consideration of issues and a better understanding of the man for their opinion. I'm not looking for your completely uniformed, purposefully ignorant sheep answer.

baaa? bf, why wouldn't something like the need to expose his latent racism be widely broadcast. you have foxnews for pete's sake!

I am not judging the right or wrong of Corky or anyone else who takes her position for the reasons she has stated, but I am trying to figure the crux of it. And from what I see, it is more about not voting for George W. Bush, and since GWB is not running again, a McCain admin is deemed by her reasoning to be a further extension to GWB Admin.

To me, it is easy for the Obama campaign to paint with broad brush strokes and simply state, well McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time etc. However, that is a campaign tactic, since it is not 90% of Bush policies that disenfranchised Bush with the non-Repub Base U.S. citizenry, but rather his mishandling of the War in Iraq, his mishandling of Hurricane Katrina. His tax policies did not hurt the nation, in fact, they wound up being more progressive in final results, as the National Center for Policy Analysis can attest to. So the Obama campaign has painted its own Bush-McCain Linkage, and are using it to distance the same voters from McCain that are disenfranchised with Bush.

so even though she stated nothing but in terms of obama and also what he will do better than mccain, she is doing it for w?

your wizardly powers must've failed you.

This is exactly why I have not 'put up my dukes and fought' for my candidate as a good friend stated to me recently. I have stated my point of view, a few of reasons for my choice and I will go no further. It is none of your business if I have or have not read his book or why I will be voting for him past what I have stated.

Some of you seem to having fun arguing about my choice, my stated reasons or in your opinion the lack thereof, so since it seems to amuse you so much, far be it from me to interfere with your pleasure. But I will add nothing further and will not even ask for respect for my right to my opinions, my choice since that seems to be too much to ask from some. (my thanks to those that have given me that respect)

And Ron, I don't need you to argue for me. Just let leave me out of it.

i am arguing against amlf.

My wizardly powers were very observant, as the following from that post will attest to, and from which I arguably see a link to Bush Admin:


By the way Corky, please note the very first sentence of my last post before this post, in which I said I was not judging you for right or wrong, just analyzing the reasoning, which is as far as I am concerned, perfectly legit in an opened online discussion forum, and I was not directing that post at you, but as I just wrote, analyzing a portion of it, independent of you. I respect your right to your opinions, but wished to look into the reason under the presumption that other Obama supporters may take the same stance.

And I thank you for that.