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#1076913 - 11/05/08 06:13 PM
Re: Why McCain Lost
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I don't care what anyone says, I don't think Palin was as bad a choice as many of you believe.
I do agree that based on the economy currently, maybe Romney would have been a better choice, BUT Palin was just as qualified as Obama. I think you would find that alot of women who have never been married and/or had a troublesome family life growing up with respect to their father figure, were turned off by Sarah Palin. She represented a reality that created an association of bitter memories. I saw it here alot with married woman who readily supported her vs. many career women in the 30's and above, unmarried, that not only refrained from voting for her, but carried alot of animosity toward her, successful governing not withstanding. Ahem - married for 25 years and still going, here. I know PLENTY of married women, women with children, women with children and successful careers, who felt that Palin was a poor choice. I also think that most pundits missed the point on Palin. To me, it wasn't her "lack of experience", it was that she was too divisive. Her speech at the RNC was wa-a-a-y to snarky for my taste. Combine that with her speech patterns that were, simply put, bizaare, and it cemented for me that this person was not a good choice to have so close to the most powerful office in our world. Take some of her network interview answers and try to diagram those sentances. It can't be done.
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#1076914 - 11/05/08 06:14 PM
Re: Why McCain Lost
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I don't care what anyone says, I don't think Palin was as bad a choice as many of you believe.
I do agree that based on the economy currently, maybe Romney would have been a better choice, BUT Palin was just as qualified as Obama. I think you would find that alot of women who have never been married and/or had a troublesome family life growing up with respect to their father figure, were turned off by Sarah Palin. She represented a reality that created an association of bitter memories. I saw it here alot with married woman who readily supported her vs. many career women in the 30's and above, unmarried, that not only refrained from voting for her, but carried alot of animosity toward her, successful governing not withstanding. Ahem - married for 25 years and still going, here. And my daughter is now in college. I know PLENTY of married women, women with children, women with children and successful careers, who felt that Palin was a poor choice. I also think that most pundits missed the point on Palin. To me, it wasn't her "lack of experience", it was that she was too divisive. Her speech at the RNC was wa-a-a-y too snarky for my taste. Combine that with her speech patterns that were, simply put, bizarre, and it cemented for me that this person was not a good choice to have so close to the most powerful office in our world. Take some of her network interview answers and try to diagram those sentences. It can't be done. P.S. I had a GREAT relationship with my father, and to this day I admire his dedication towards helping others.
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#1076916 - 11/05/08 06:20 PM
Re: Why McCain Lost
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Bonnie, Terets? LOL, j/k.
I don't see how her speech patterns would disqualify her as a candidate for VP, nor would I consider "snarkiness."
But, you're entitled to your opinion.
How did you feel about her stances on the issues? Or, did you never make it that far after hearing her speech patterns?
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#1077013 - 11/05/08 07:06 PM
Re: Why McCain Lost
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IMO most of the women who supported Hilary would not support Sara Palin. She certainly differs on many issues with Hilary, and she's way too conservative for most democrats to support.
If McCain thought that women would vote for her just because she's a woman...I think he learned a lesson last night.
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#1077017 - 11/05/08 07:11 PM
Re: Why McCain Lost
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I think McCain was trying to woo the Right with her; however, from what I was hearing on TV last night, a lot of the Right stayed home and didn't vote.
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#1077022 - 11/05/08 07:16 PM
Re: Why McCain Lost
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I thought Palin brought a refreshing candor to the political arena. I applaud the party for having the guts to add her to the ticket. I would likely have voted for McCain regardless of his running mate for a number of reasons. Obama will never be an option.
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#1077047 - 11/05/08 07:42 PM
Re: Why McCain Lost
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Bonnie, Terets? LOL, j/k.
I don't see how her speech patterns would disqualify her as a candidate for VP, nor would I consider "snarkiness."
But, you're entitled to your opinion.
How did you feel about her stances on the issues? Or, did you never make it that far after hearing her speech patterns? I don't think that Palin has Tourettes Syndrome, but if I had to endure another "And also too...." sentance, I think I would have damaged my T.V. Don't get me wrong, Obama needs to exorcise his "Ah's and Umm's" which is why I recommend he attend a few Toastmaster meetings before January. (I am a proud owner of a few "Wizard of Ah's" ribbons from my Toastmaster days. They did the trick.)Her stance on the issues - well it was kind of hard to find them for all of the slings and arrows she kept shooting, but I would say that I find her stance on abortion (not even for rape or incest victims) to be scary. I was appalled at her promotion of shooting wolves from helicopters, her "Drill, Baby, Drill" mantra to be the kind of short sightedness that got our country into the current mess it is in, and her answers on the economic issues and healthcare issues were simply incomprehensible - i.e. I had no idea where she was either coming from or going. While I am for the responsible use of our natural resources, the "Drill, Baby, Drill" chant was a bit too much of a "Bull-in-the-china-shop" or threading a needle with a sledgehammer approach. We have only one planet, and if we screw up this environment too much, we don't have a lot of options. I know my sentiments are not very popular with the Dittohead crowd, but that's also why I love living in America.
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#1077231 - 11/05/08 09:12 PM
Re: Why McCain Lost
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Bonnie M "Palin was the reason that I could not even consider voting for McCain. With a different running mate, I might have."
Palin was the only thing going for McCain that made me vote for him. I almost voted for Barr but...tastes like chicken so it must have been
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#1077253 - 11/05/08 09:25 PM
Re: Why McCain Lost
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I don't care what anyone says, I don't think Palin was as bad a choice as many of you believe.
I do agree that based on the economy currently, maybe Romney would have been a better choice, BUT Palin was just as qualified as Obama. If McCain had chosen Romney, I would have voted for him.
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#1077285 - 11/05/08 09:41 PM
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I probably would have too.
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#1077294 - 11/05/08 09:47 PM
Re: Why McCain Lost
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Bonnie M "Palin was the reason that I could not even consider voting for McCain. With a different running mate, I might have."
Palin was the only thing going for McCain that made me vote for him. I almost voted for Barr but...tastes like chicken so it must have been Palin is the reason I could not consider voting for McCain either. Prior to McCain selecting her, I may have considered it more but once I found out her stance on certain issues, there was no way I would ever pull the lever for McCain. In my opinion, Palin screwed McCain.
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#1077314 - 11/05/08 10:00 PM
Re: Why McCain Lost
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but once I found out her stance on certain issues, there was no way I would ever pull the lever for McCain.
While I utterly disagree with you Jenny on positions, this at least is a valid rationale for not voting McCain/Palin. You disagreed with her stances on issues. I get miffed at the folks who claim she lacked experience when clearly she has governed, or who dislike her voice or that she is a family woman etc.
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#1077317 - 11/05/08 10:02 PM
Re: Why McCain Lost
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In my opinion, Palin screwed McCain. Ya know, he did seem a little more chipper lately...
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#1077321 - 11/05/08 10:05 PM
Re: Why McCain Lost
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but once I found out her stance on certain issues, there was no way I would ever pull the lever for McCain.
While I utterly disagree with you Jenny on positions, this at least is a valid rationale for not voting McCain/Palin. You disagreed with her stances on issues. I get miffed at the folks who claim she lacked experience when clearly she has governed, or who dislike her voice or that she is a family woman etc. Did I mention that she reminded me too much of Catbert?
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#1077331 - 11/05/08 10:12 PM
Re: Why McCain Lost
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but once I found out her stance on certain issues, there was no way I would ever pull the lever for McCain.
While I utterly disagree with you Jenny on positions, this at least is a valid rationale for not voting McCain/Palin. You disagreed with her stances on issues. I get miffed at the folks who claim she lacked experience when clearly she has governed, or who dislike her voice or that she is a family woman etc. Did I mention that she reminded me too much of Catbert? who is Catbert? I voted for her because she is so damn hot joking people.
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#1077336 - 11/05/08 10:15 PM
Re: Why McCain Lost
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I thought Palin brought a refreshing candor to the political arena. I applaud the party for having the guts to add her to the ticket. I would likely have voted for McCain regardless of his running mate for a number of reasons. Obama will never be an option. well, he is our nation's option now. how are you going to proceed?
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#1077345 - 11/05/08 10:18 PM
Re: Why McCain Lost
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get miffed at the folks who claim she lacked experience when clearly she has governed, or who dislike her voice or that she is a family woman etc. fwiw, my standard of "capacity for office" that i use and suggest others use instead of "experience" disqualified her in addition to her social stances of course.
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#1077347 - 11/05/08 10:20 PM
Re: Why McCain Lost
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Ron, can you stop being snide, even for a moment? i wasn't trying to be snide. i am asking if she is going to go "purple".
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