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#1077844 - 11/06/08 05:38 PM Secedeing from the Union...put to a vote?
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With all the hubbub over politics and how to run the country, etc etc, if your state wanted to secede from the Union/US, would you be up for it? Is it really important that we remain as such a large country these days? Could individual state survive as their own county? What do you think would be the consequences and/or benefits of breaking down the Union?

If your state held a vote to secede and become a separate country, how would you vote?
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If a state wanted to secede and the US as a whoel had to vote to approve the secession, would you vote to allow it?
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#1077847 - 11/06/08 05:41 PM Re: Secedeing from the Union...put to a vote? Dip
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I think this will be debated more and more, as the Democrats have worked so hard to devide the country. Ultimately their hatred of "America" could lead to the end of it.
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#1077849 - 11/06/08 05:42 PM Re: Secedeing from the Union...put to a vote? Sound Tactic
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You can tell the Texas bankers haven't voted yet...or that "Yes" result would be much different

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#1077850 - 11/06/08 05:42 PM Re: Secedeing from the Union...put to a vote? Sound Tactic
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This comment just shows how divided we really are.

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#1077851 - 11/06/08 05:42 PM Re: Secedeing from the Union...put to a vote? Sound Tactic
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#1077852 - 11/06/08 05:43 PM Re: Secedeing from the Union...put to a vote? Lisa_Bates
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Originally Posted By: TexasEmerald
You can tell the Texas bankers haven't voted yet...or that "Yes" result would be much different



I voted
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#1077853 - 11/06/08 05:44 PM Re: Secedeing from the Union...put to a vote? Sound Tactic
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Originally Posted By: StrawmanILK
... as the Democrats have worked so hard to devide the country. Ultimately their hatred of "America" could lead to the end of it.


That is a ridiculous statement!
You have totally bought into the fear-mongering of the Republicans!

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#1077855 - 11/06/08 05:45 PM Re: Secedeing from the Union...put to a vote? *nUnZeO*
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No such provision is found in the current Texas Constitution[1](adopted in 1876) or the terms of annexation.[2] However, it does state (in Article 1, Section 1) that “Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States...” (note that it does not state “...subject to the President of the United States...” or “...subject to the Congress of the United States...” or “...subject to the rest of the United States...”)

Neither the Texas Constitution, nor the Constitution of the united States, explicitly or implicitly disallows the secession of Texas (or any other “free and independent State”) from the United States. Joining the “Union” was ever and always voluntary, rendering voluntary withdrawal an equally lawful and viable option (regardless of what any self-appointed academic, media, or government “experts”—including Abraham Lincoln himself—may have ever said).

Both the original (1836) and the current (1876) Texas Constitutions also state that “All political power is inherent in the people ... they have at all times the inalienable right to alter their government in such manner as they might think proper.”

Likewise, each of the united States is “united” with the others explicitly on the principle that “governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed” and “whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends [i.e., protecting life, liberty, and property], it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government” and “when a long train of abuses and usurpations...evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.” [3]
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#1077857 - 11/06/08 05:46 PM Re: Secedeing from the Union...put to a vote? MagicCity
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Originally Posted By: MagicCity
Originally Posted By: StrawmanILK
... as the Democrats have worked so hard to devide the country. Ultimately their hatred of "America" could lead to the end of it.


That is a ridiculous statement!


DITTO What MagicCity Said!!
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#1077859 - 11/06/08 05:47 PM Re: Secedeing from the Union...put to a vote? MagicCity
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Originally Posted By: MagicCity
Originally Posted By: StrawmanILK
... as the Democrats have worked so hard to devide the country. Ultimately their hatred of "America" could lead to the end of it.


That is a ridiculous statement!
You have totally bought into the fear-mongering of the Republicans!


REally? How long have you paid attention to the cooler? Why don't you just do a search for Camero Power (total r_t_a_d), Yossarian and AML Barbarian. All they did was try to devide. Nothing Bush could do was right. I admit to not liking Bush, but I am not going to devide the country over it. Your drinking too much of the kool-aid. And look at the fact that the poll is up to begin with. How do you think it got there?
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#1077860 - 11/06/08 05:47 PM Re: Secedeing from the Union...put to a vote? *nUnZeO*
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From The People of Texas

We Texans love y'all, but we'll have to take action if Obama wins
president over McCain. We'll miss you too.

Texas has given all those complainers plenty of time to get used to the results. After seeing the whiners along the campaign route, the folks from Texas are considering taking matters into our hands.

Here is our solution:

#1: Elect Barak Obama President of the United States. (All 49 states.)

#2: George W. Bush becomes the President of the Republic Of Texas.

So what does Texas have to do to survive as a Republic?

1. NASA is just south of Houston, Texas. (We will control the space industry.)

2. We refine over 85% of the gasoline in the United States.

3. Defense Industry. (We have over 65% of it) The term "Don’t mess with Texas," will take on a whole new meaning.

4. Oil - we can supply all the oil that the Republic of Texas will need for the next 300 years. Yankee states? Sorry about that.

5. Natural Gas - Again we have all we need and it's too bad about those northern states. John Kerry will figure a way to keep them warm....

6. Computer Industry - we currently lead the nation in producing computer chips and communications: Small places like Texas Instruments, Dell Computer, EDS, Raytheon, National Semiconductor, Motorola, Intel, AMD, Atmel, Applied Materials, Ball Semiconductor, Dallas Semiconductor, Delphi, Nortel, Alcatel, Etc, Etc. The list goes on and on.

7. Health Centers - We have the largest research centers for Cancer research, the best burn centers and the top trauma units in the world and other large health planning centers.

8. We have enough colleges to keep us going: UT Texas, A&M, Texas Tech, Rice, SMU, University of Houston, Baylor, UNT, Texas Women's University, Ivy grows better in the south anyway

9. We have a ready supply of workers. (Just open the border when we need some)

10. We have control of the paper industry, plastics, insurance, etc.

11. In case of a foreign invasion, we have the Texas National Guard and the Texas Air National Guard. We don't have an army but since everybody down here has at least six rifles and a pile of ammo, we can raise an army in 24 hours if we need it. If the situation really gets bad, we can always call Department of Public Safety and ask them to send over a couple Texas Rangers.

12. We are totally self sufficient in beef, poultry, hogs and several types of grain, fruit and vegetables and lets not forget seafood from the gulf. And everybody down here knows how to cook them so that they taste good. Don't need any food.

This just names a few of the items that will keep the Republic Of Texas in good shape. There isn't a thing out there that we need and don't have.

Now to the rest of the United States under President Obama: Since you won't have the refineries to get gas for your cars, only Mr. Kerry will be able to drive around in his 9 mile per gallon SUV. The rest of the United States will have to walk or ride bikes.

You won't have any TV as the space center in Houston will cut off your communications. You won't have any natural gas to heat your homes but since Mr. Kerry has predicted global warming, you will not need the gas.

Signed, The People in Texas

Have a nice day!
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#1077861 - 11/06/08 05:50 PM Re: Secedeing from the Union...put to a vote? *nUnZeO*
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Originally Posted By: *nUnZeO*
From The People of Texas

We Texans love y'all, but we'll have to take action if Obama wins
president over McCain. We'll miss you too.

Texas has given all those complainers plenty of time to get used to the results. After seeing the whiners along the campaign route, the folks from Texas are considering taking matters into our hands.

Here is our solution:

#1: Elect Barak Obama President of the United States. (All 49 states.)

#2: George W. Bush becomes the President of the Republic Of Texas.

So what does Texas have to do to survive as a Republic?

1. NASA is just south of Houston, Texas. (We will control the space industry.)

2. We refine over 85% of the gasoline in the United States.

3. Defense Industry. (We have over 65% of it) The term "DonÂ’t mess with Texas," will take on a whole new meaning.

4. Oil - we can supply all the oil that the Republic of Texas will need for the next 300 years. Yankee states? Sorry about that.

5. Natural Gas - Again we have all we need and it's too bad about those northern states. John Kerry will figure a way to keep them warm....

6. Computer Industry - we currently lead the nation in producing computer chips and communications: Small places like Texas Instruments, Dell Computer, EDS, Raytheon, National Semiconductor, Motorola, Intel, AMD, Atmel, Applied Materials, Ball Semiconductor, Dallas Semiconductor, Delphi, Nortel, Alcatel, Etc, Etc. The list goes on and on.

7. Health Centers - We have the largest research centers for Cancer research, the best burn centers and the top trauma units in the world and other large health planning centers.

8. We have enough colleges to keep us going: UT Texas, A&M, Texas Tech, Rice, SMU, University of Houston, Baylor, UNT, Texas Women's University, Ivy grows better in the south anyway

9. We have a ready supply of workers. (Just open the border when we need some)

10. We have control of the paper industry, plastics, insurance, etc.

11. In case of a foreign invasion, we have the Texas National Guard and the Texas Air National Guard. We don't have an army but since everybody down here has at least six rifles and a pile of ammo, we can raise an army in 24 hours if we need it. If the situation really gets bad, we can always call Department of Public Safety and ask them to send over a couple Texas Rangers.

12. We are totally self sufficient in beef, poultry, hogs and several types of grain, fruit and vegetables and lets not forget seafood from the gulf. And everybody down here knows how to cook them so that they taste good. Don't need any food.

This just names a few of the items that will keep the Republic Of Texas in good shape. There isn't a thing out there that we need and don't have.

Now to the rest of the United States under President Obama: Since you won't have the refineries to get gas for your cars, only Mr. Kerry will be able to drive around in his 9 mile per gallon SUV. The rest of the United States will have to walk or ride bikes.

You won't have any TV as the space center in Houston will cut off your communications. You won't have any natural gas to heat your homes but since Mr. Kerry has predicted global warming, you will not need the gas.

Signed, The People in Texas

Have a nice day!



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#1077862 - 11/06/08 05:51 PM Re: Secedeing from the Union...put to a vote? Lisa_Bates
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Originally Posted By: TexasEmerald
Originally Posted By: *nUnZeO*
From The People of Texas

We Texans love y'all, but we'll have to take action if Obama wins
president over McCain. We'll miss you too.

Texas has given all those complainers plenty of time to get used to the results. After seeing the whiners along the campaign route, the folks from Texas are considering taking matters into our hands.

Here is our solution:

#1: Elect Barak Obama President of the United States. (All 49 states.)

#2: George W. Bush becomes the President of the Republic Of Texas.

So what does Texas have to do to survive as a Republic?

1. NASA is just south of Houston, Texas. (We will control the space industry.)

2. We refine over 85% of the gasoline in the United States.

3. Defense Industry. (We have over 65% of it) The term "DonÂ’t mess with Texas," will take on a whole new meaning.

4. Oil - we can supply all the oil that the Republic of Texas will need for the next 300 years. Yankee states? Sorry about that.

5. Natural Gas - Again we have all we need and it's too bad about those northern states. John Kerry will figure a way to keep them warm....

6. Computer Industry - we currently lead the nation in producing computer chips and communications: Small places like Texas Instruments, Dell Computer, EDS, Raytheon, National Semiconductor, Motorola, Intel, AMD, Atmel, Applied Materials, Ball Semiconductor, Dallas Semiconductor, Delphi, Nortel, Alcatel, Etc, Etc. The list goes on and on.

7. Health Centers - We have the largest research centers for Cancer research, the best burn centers and the top trauma units in the world and other large health planning centers.

8. We have enough colleges to keep us going: UT Texas, A&M, Texas Tech, Rice, SMU, University of Houston, Baylor, UNT, Texas Women's University, Ivy grows better in the south anyway

9. We have a ready supply of workers. (Just open the border when we need some)

10. We have control of the paper industry, plastics, insurance, etc.

11. In case of a foreign invasion, we have the Texas National Guard and the Texas Air National Guard. We don't have an army but since everybody down here has at least six rifles and a pile of ammo, we can raise an army in 24 hours if we need it. If the situation really gets bad, we can always call Department of Public Safety and ask them to send over a couple Texas Rangers.

12. We are totally self sufficient in beef, poultry, hogs and several types of grain, fruit and vegetables and lets not forget seafood from the gulf. And everybody down here knows how to cook them so that they taste good. Don't need any food.

This just names a few of the items that will keep the Republic Of Texas in good shape. There isn't a thing out there that we need and don't have.

Now to the rest of the United States under President Obama: Since you won't have the refineries to get gas for your cars, only Mr. Kerry will be able to drive around in his 9 mile per gallon SUV. The rest of the United States will have to walk or ride bikes.

You won't have any TV as the space center in Houston will cut off your communications. You won't have any natural gas to heat your homes but since Mr. Kerry has predicted global warming, you will not need the gas.

Signed, The People in Texas

Have a nice day!




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#1077865 - 11/06/08 05:54 PM Re: Secedeing from the Union...put to a vote? Lisa_Bates
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I remember being in fifth grade social studies and hearing the teacher talk abotu how California could stand as it's own country, but I forget the reasons in my old age

Some states are so different from each other, I think it would depend on the state whether or not it coudl stand on its own without the support and backing of the US government.
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#1077867 - 11/06/08 05:58 PM Re: Secedeing from the Union...put to a vote? Lisa_Bates
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Originally Posted By: TexasEmerald
You can tell the Texas bankers haven't voted yet...or that "Yes" result would be much different


Hey I voted too! (but only once, that's the way it's supposed to be, right?)
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#1077870 - 11/06/08 06:00 PM Re: Secedeing from the Union...put to a vote? Quadspapa
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I voted "no" on both questions, but if California seceded, I'd move to Texas or Arizona in a heartbeat!
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#1077871 - 11/06/08 06:00 PM Re: Secedeing from the Union...put to a vote? Dip
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Or rather than stand on their own, ally with other states with the same ideas/ideals.
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#1077872 - 11/06/08 06:01 PM Re: Secedeing from the Union...put to a vote? A_G
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Originally Posted By: *nUnZeO*
#2: George W. Bush becomes the President of the Republic Of Texas.


Hey Nunz...instead of GWB being our president...can we get Chuck Norris?

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#1077875 - 11/06/08 06:07 PM Re: Secedeing from the Union...put to a vote? Lisa_Bates
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Originally Posted By: TexasEmerald
Originally Posted By: *nUnZeO*
#2: George W. Bush becomes the President of the Republic Of Texas.


Hey Nunz...instead of GWB being our president...can we get Chuck Norris?


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#1077876 - 11/06/08 06:07 PM Re: Secedeing from the Union...put to a vote? *nUnZeO*
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Originally Posted By: *nUnZeO*
No such provision is found in the current Texas Constitution[1](adopted in 1876) or the terms of annexation.[2] However, it does state (in Article 1, Section 1) that “Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States...” (note that it does not state “...subject to the President of the United States...” or “...subject to the Congress of the United States...” or “...subject to the rest of the United States...”)

Neither the Texas Constitution, nor the Constitution of the united States, explicitly or implicitly disallows the secession of Texas (or any other “free and independent State”) from the United States. Joining the “Union” was ever and always voluntary, rendering voluntary withdrawal an equally lawful and viable option (regardless of what any self-appointed academic, media, or government “experts”—including Abraham Lincoln himself—may have ever said).

Both the original (1836) and the current (1876) Texas Constitutions also state that “All political power is inherent in the people ... they have at all times the inalienable right to alter their government in such manner as they might think proper.”

Likewise, each of the united States is “united” with the others explicitly on the principle that “governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed” and “whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends [i.e., protecting life, liberty, and property], it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government” and “when a long train of abuses and usurpations...evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.” [3]


Preach it, sister!

If Texas broke off, I'd seriously consider moving there. Other than the heat, I think it's a great place, with friendly people. If California broke off, I don't think I'd miss them...Maybe Dip
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#1077879 - 11/06/08 06:15 PM Re: Secedeing from the Union...put to a vote? FBH
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Isn't Cali falling into the ocean anyways?


Technically, it sounds like they're already on the way out!
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#1077882 - 11/06/08 06:15 PM Re: Secedeing from the Union...put to a vote? FBH
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..... ahhhh affirmation. Anything else you might like to add MagicCity?
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#1077891 - 11/06/08 06:24 PM Re: Secedeing from the Union...put to a vote? Lisa_Bates
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Originally Posted By: TexasEmerald
Originally Posted By: *nUnZeO*
#2: George W. Bush becomes the President of the Republic Of Texas.


Hey Nunz...instead of GWB being our president...can we get Chuck Norris?
He'd be in charge of national defense
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#1077899 - 11/06/08 06:28 PM Re: Secedeing from the Union...put to a vote? *nUnZeO*
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and the BOLCXOUOTCUOSRSSTTT can be the cabinet. See ya!
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#1077901 - 11/06/08 06:29 PM Re: Secedeing from the Union...put to a vote? Sound Tactic
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Here's what I'd get it Georgia were to secede:

Arby's, Chick-fil-A, The Coca-Cola Company, Georgia Pacific, Hooters, ING Americas, Cox, and Delta Air Lines. Major corporations in other parts of the state include: Aflac, CareSouth, Home Depot, Newell Rubbermaid, Primerica Financial Services, United Parcel Service, Waffle House and Zaxby's.

Good, artery cloggin eatin & somethin to wash it down with. WHOO HOOOOO!

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