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#1088650 - 11/26/08 07:33 PM
Re: Hawaii or Kenya
Retired DQ
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Oh DQ. I won't believe you until you show me your birth certificate.
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#1088653 - 11/26/08 07:35 PM
Re: Hawaii or Kenya
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I think Jessilyn would have a happier outlook if he/she just stopped reading the American Thinker blog. Stupid bloggers. Yeah! What she said. Wait a minute. I have a blog.
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#1088655 - 11/26/08 07:38 PM
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They didn't have birth certificates that long ago BB ::turns and runs from the room::
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#1088656 - 11/26/08 07:38 PM
Re: Hawaii or Kenya
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I think Jessilyn would have a happier outlook if he/she just stopped reading the American Thinker blog. Stupid bloggers. Yeah! What she said. Wait a minute. I have a blog. Yeah, but yours isn't stupid like American Thinker or Townhall.
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#1088657 - 11/26/08 07:39 PM
Re: Hawaii or Kenya
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They didn't have language that long ago BB ::turns and runs from the room::
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#1088673 - 11/26/08 07:51 PM
Re: Hawaii or Kenya
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Born in the USA Before sneering at the FactCheck (or Politifacts, or the Associated Press) research on the matter, you might see if you can refute any of the statements made by officials of the Hawaii Department of Health, photographic evidence of the actual birth certificat, the birth announcement in the Honolulu newspaper, or some combination of the above. Ah, I forgot. *You're* not sneering at the FactCheck analysis/sources, you're just quoting someone who was. I apologize. When you want to make a statement of your own beliefs, on your own behalf, just let us know. But then again, there is that nagging issue of his Grandmother stating that she was standing by the hospital bed for his birth.... In Kenya!
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#1088715 - 11/26/08 08:32 PM
Re: Hawaii or Kenya
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But then again, there is that nagging issue of his Grandmother stating that she was standing by the hospital bed for his birth.... In Kenya!
Yeah, but old ladies are a little slow to recall correctly sometimes... just look to DQ as a perfect example... would you seriously take as fact anything that old bat would say??
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#1088733 - 11/26/08 08:50 PM
Re: Hawaii or Kenya
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But then again, there is that nagging issue of his Grandmother stating that she was standing by the hospital bed for his birth.... In Kenya!
Source? (Besides Philip Berg, I mean.)
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#1088739 - 11/26/08 08:56 PM
Re: Hawaii or Kenya
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Barbie, just like many experts believe Obamas birth certificate to be legitimate, many believe it was a forgery. The one odd thing remains, why does he have a Kenyan birth certificate? And if he renounced his American citizenship, why is there no documentation supporting that he ever regained it?
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#1088765 - 11/26/08 09:24 PM
Re: Hawaii or Kenya
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But then again, there is that nagging issue of his Grandmother stating that she was standing by the hospital bed for his birth.... In Kenya!
Source? (Besides Philip Berg, I mean.) What do you want his grandmother to formally noterize and document her verbiage.
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#1088766 - 11/26/08 09:25 PM
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#1088769 - 11/26/08 09:29 PM
Re: Hawaii or Kenya
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But then again, there is that nagging issue of his Grandmother stating that she was standing by the hospital bed for his birth.... In Kenya!
Source? (Besides Philip Berg, I mean.) What do you want his grandmother to formally noterize and document her verbiage. Do you speak with her often? Or did you learn of this from another source?
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#1088770 - 11/26/08 09:29 PM
Re: Hawaii or Kenya
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Despite assertions by the Washington Post, FactChecker.org and other organizations that Obama has produced a certified Hawaiian birth certificate, Berg told WND he remains "99.99 percent sure" that the certificate is a fake and he wants a court, not a website, to determine its validity. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=76933Even if Sen. Obama can prove his U.S. citizenship, Berg stated, citing the senator’s use of a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii verified as a forgery by three independent document forensic experts, the issue of “multi-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegiance to other countries” remains on the table. http://samuelatgilgal.wordpress.com/2008...t-a-us-citizen/Explains the suite.
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#1088771 - 11/26/08 09:30 PM
Re: Hawaii or Kenya
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Strawman, just provide a source that is not right-wing-biased. CAVEAT: Any source that reports something even remotely negative or questionable about Barackstar Obama is right-wing!
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#1088776 - 11/26/08 09:35 PM
Re: Hawaii or Kenya
Hrothgar Geiger
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[quote=Bimmer] But then again, there is that nagging issue of his Grandmother stating that she was standing by the hospital bed for his birth.... In Kenya! Source? (Besides Philip Berg, I mean.) What do you want his grandmother to formally noterize and document her verbiage. Do you speak with her often? Or did you learn of this from another source? [/quote] Do you? Do you have any proof she didn't. Seems to me that Berg's lawsuite has at least established that the Hawaiin birth certificate could be a forgery. In fact, it probably is, because given his background and familiy moving I can't believe it is in such pristine condition. I am not saying he was for sure born in Kenya, I'm saying some experts have said its a forgery. How many sources do you want to review it? Berg had his experts review it. He had the recourses. I don't. But you don't want to believe it because you dont want to. So, are you appauled by the lack of "change" in the administration? We have a whole nother thread on this. Please visit that one ole' UN Funding Analyst.
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#1088780 - 11/26/08 09:41 PM
Re: Hawaii or Kenya
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Despite assertions by the Washington Post, FactChecker.org and other organizations that Obama has produced a certified Hawaiian birth certificate, Berg told WND he remains "99.99 percent sure" that the certificate is a fake and he wants a court, not a website, to determine its validity. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=76933Even if Sen. Obama can prove his U.S. citizenship, Berg stated, citing the senator’s use of a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii verified as a forgery by three independent document forensic experts, the issue of “multi-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegiance to other countries” remains on the table. http://samuelatgilgal.wordpress.com/2008...t-a-us-citizen/Explains the suite. I've read the suite, er suit. So did Judge Surrick, who threw it out of court. The lawsuit is replete with assertions and allegations, but suffers a dearth of proof or documentation. I understand that Mr. Berg is now going attempt to file an appeal with the U.S. Supreme Court.
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#1088799 - 11/26/08 09:56 PM
Re: Hawaii or Kenya
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Berg is an idiot and should be disbarred. He must have gotten his law license from the same place he claims Obama got his birth certificate.
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#1088807 - 11/26/08 10:10 PM
Re: Hawaii or Kenya
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I didnt say it was not disbanded, I said some experts believe his Hawaiin birth certificate is a fake. When are you going to actually read the posts instead of jumping to conclusions or starting to slander or insult people Barbara. Since I do not have funds for my own forensic experts I will go with Bergs. Do you have your own expert testimoney?
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#1088815 - 11/26/08 10:14 PM
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When will you read the posts: just like many experts believe Obamas birth certificate to be legitimate, many believe it was a forgery I am not saying he was for sure born in Kenya, I'm saying some experts have said its a forgery. Even if Sen. Obama can prove his U.S. citizenship, Berg stated, citing the senator’s use of a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii verified as a forgery by three independent document forensic experts
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#1088829 - 11/26/08 10:27 PM
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. However, as posted all over the internet, three (3) independent Document Forensic Experts performed extensive Forensic testing on the Certificate of Live Birth posted on Obama's campaign \vebsite. Thc Forensic Expert findings were the Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) was in a forgery. It would seem, based on Mr. Berg's filing, that the experts reviewed a scan of a document posted on the website. Not, as one might think, an actual physical document. Hmmmmm I think I'll go with the people that have examined the actual document.
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#1088871 - 11/26/08 11:28 PM
Re: Hawaii or Kenya
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Berg is an idiot and should be disbarred. He must have gotten his law license from the same place he claims Obama got his birth certificate. is this the same Berg that says Bush and Cheney should be tried as war criminals or something like that?
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