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#1089963 - 12/01/08 10:16 PM Liberals to keep pressure on Obama for results
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"Already, the liberal blogosphere is showing its influence.

John Brennan, Obama's top pick to head the CIA, suddenly withdrew his name from consideration under pressure this past week. His potential appointment had raised a firestorm among liberal blogs that associate him with the Bush administration's interrogation, detention and rendition policies. Within hours, blogs that raised concerns about Brennan's career claimed victory about their successful exercise in free speech."

Obama is building a government with several Clinton administration faces, a move that has underwhelmed some liberal voices who are eager for a more dramatic sense of change.

In one posting that seemed to echo in the Internet community, liberal blogger Chris Bowers wrote, "I feel incredibly frustrated. ... Isn't there ever a point when we can get an actual Democratic administration? Why isn't there a single member of Obama's Cabinet who will be advising him from the left?"

Christopher Hayes, the Washington-based editor of The Nation, offered his own lament about a lack of progressive candidates for prominent leadership spots. He said the left has been right about Iraq, financial deregulation and global warming, and yet "no one who comes from the part of American political and intellectual life that has given birth to all of these ideas is anywhere to be found within miles of the Obama Cabinet so far."


Yup, only conservatives are griping about Obama's picks so far.
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#1089974 - 12/01/08 10:26 PM Re: Liberals to keep pressure on Obama for results straw
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I'll tell you what they are, they're a bunch of sore winners!!!
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#1089976 - 12/01/08 10:27 PM Re: Liberals to keep pressure on Obama for results HappyGilmore
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#1090078 - 12/02/08 01:50 PM Re: Liberals to keep pressure on Obama for results kms
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#1090125 - 12/02/08 02:34 PM Re: Liberals to keep pressure on Obama for results A_G
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#1090183 - 12/02/08 03:22 PM Re: Liberals to keep pressure on Obama for results Hated By Some
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Time magazine's Peter Beinart tries to assure fellow left-liberals that engaging war mongers is all just a ploy by Obama:

"A word of advice: cheer up. It's precisely because Obama intends to pursue a genuinely progressive foreign policy that he's surrounding himself with people who can guard his right flank at home. When George W. Bush wanted to sell the Iraq war, he trotted out Colin Powell--because Powell was nobody's idea of a hawk. Now Obama may be preparing to do the reverse. To give himself cover for a withdrawal from Iraq and a diplomatic push with Iran, he's surrounding himself with people like Gates, Clinton and [National Security Adviser-designate James] Jones, who can't be lampooned as doves."
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#1090191 - 12/02/08 03:30 PM Re: Liberals to keep pressure on Obama for results Pale Rider
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What's interesting is that in my area there are a lot of right leaning Democrats....so not all Dems have to be on the left. Talk about being the party of unification......just sayin!
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#1090719 - 12/03/08 12:51 PM Re: Liberals to keep pressure on Obama for results East Texas
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Has anybody noticed that "Republican" President Bush has moved his party so far to the left that "Gates, Clinton and Jones" are regarded as "those who can't be lampooned as doves"?

So not all Republicans are right wing wacos...just sayin!

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#1090728 - 12/03/08 01:24 PM Re: Liberals to keep pressure on Obama for results Jessilynn
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Are we still talking about Hayden Panettiere here?
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#1090816 - 12/03/08 02:54 PM Re: Liberals to keep pressure on Obama for results A_G
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#1090934 - 12/03/08 04:31 PM Re: Liberals to keep pressure on Obama for results Jessilynn
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Originally Posted By: Jessilynn
Has anybody noticed that "Republican" President Bush has moved his party so far to the left that "Gates, Clinton and Jones" are regarded as "those who can't be lampooned as doves"?

So not all Republicans are right wing wacos...just sayin!


Yep, he is no conservative. That is what I find so amusing in this whole thing. The Liberals are using him as an example of what is bad for America. The Republicans are saying, the Liberal POV is wrong. The only truism is that both are right, but the Liberals are coming very close to criticising their ideologies.
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#1090991 - 12/03/08 05:24 PM Re: Liberals to keep pressure on Obama for results Sound Tactic
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Think what you want about how much of a conservative Bush is, but the idea that he is in any way "liberal" is nonsense. Preemptive war, torture, warrantless wiretapping, violating the Geneva Convention, the Katrina nonresponse, inaction on global warming, imprisoning US citizens without trial, tax cuts geared to upper income levels, limits on abortion and stem cell research...the list goes on and on. Liberal criticism of Bush's policies is not in any way close to criticizing liberal beliefs.

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#1091019 - 12/03/08 05:56 PM Re: Liberals to keep pressure on Obama for results Sound Tactic
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Originally Posted By: StrawmanILK
Originally Posted By: Jessilynn
Has anybody noticed that "Republican" President Bush has moved his party so far to the left that "Gates, Clinton and Jones" are regarded as "those who can't be lampooned as doves"?

So not all Republicans are right wing wacos...just sayin!


Yep, he is no conservative. That is what I find so amusing in this whole thing. The Liberals are using him as an example of what is bad for America. The Republicans are saying, the Liberal POV is wrong. The only truism is that both are right, but the Liberals are coming very close to criticising their ideologies.

omg, then DON'T VOTE FOR HIM. stop "doing the country a favor" and voting for the lesser of two evils. face it, you voted for him, judas.

if you really think you want to do us a favor and get a true conservative in there then stand behind a true conservative and make him viable.

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#1091040 - 12/03/08 06:07 PM Re: Liberals to keep pressure on Obama for results Hated By Some
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omg, then DON'T VOTE FOR HIM. stop "doing the country a favor" and voting for the lesser of two evils. face it, you voted for him, judas.


so it's better to vote for the greater of two evils?
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#1091050 - 12/03/08 06:14 PM Re: Liberals to keep pressure on Obama for results rainman
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rainman, it is ridiculous to think that liberals are evil or that their philosophy has no merit. i understand the point, but you aren't doing the citizens a "favor" by doing so. get over yourselves. and stop playing judas.

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#1091053 - 12/03/08 06:17 PM Re: Liberals to keep pressure on Obama for results rainman
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LOLOL, Ron, I know YOU believe in every minute thing that Obama says is the gospel truth, but believe it or not, there are some of us who are thoughtful and don't agree with everything that the people we voted for do. Enough of your pathetic argument about Judas, it's tiring and frankly, I really expected more of you.

Yoss, where to begin?

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Preemptive war, torture, warrantless wiretapping, violating the Geneva Convention, the Katrina nonresponse, inaction on global warming, imprisoning US citizens without trial, tax cuts geared to upper income levels, limits on abortion and stem cell research...the list goes on and on. Liberal criticism of Bush's policies is not in any way close to criticizing liberal beliefs.


Preemptive war - A war that Congress supported, after years of negotiation and SH thumbing his nose at everyone including the UN and the US.

Global Warming still has not been proven as factual.

Torture - Debateable as well.

Geneva Convention does not apply to enemy combatants / terrorists.

Tax cuts to those who pay the most taxes; blasphemy!

And the list goes on and on...
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#1091057 - 12/03/08 06:20 PM Re: Liberals to keep pressure on Obama for results Hated By Some
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Originally Posted By: Camaro Power
Originally Posted By: StrawmanILK
Originally Posted By: Jessilynn
Has anybody noticed that "Republican" President Bush has moved his party so far to the left that "Gates, Clinton and Jones" are regarded as "those who can't be lampooned as doves"?

So not all Republicans are right wing wacos...just sayin!


Yep, he is no conservative. That is what I find so amusing in this whole thing. The Liberals are using him as an example of what is bad for America. The Republicans are saying, the Liberal POV is wrong. The only truism is that both are right, but the Liberals are coming very close to criticising their ideologies.

omg, then DON'T VOTE FOR HIM. stop "doing the country a favor" and voting for the lesser of two evils. face it, you voted for him, judas.

if you really think you want to do us a favor and get a true conservative in there then stand behind a true conservative and make him viable.


If Hillary had won the nomination, what would you have done?

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#1091068 - 12/03/08 06:25 PM Re: Liberals to keep pressure on Obama for results straw
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i've already said that i would've abstained. in fact, before it became clear that mccain had become citizen mccain, i said that i would've favored him over hillary. i viewed what obama brought as the right solution (both in ideology and in character/personality/intangibles)

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#1091069 - 12/03/08 06:26 PM Re: Liberals to keep pressure on Obama for results Hated By Some
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Originally Posted By: Camaro Power
rainman, it is ridiculous to think that liberals are evil or that their philosophy has no merit. i understand the point, but you aren't doing the citizens a "favor" by doing so. get over yourselves. and stop playing judas.


You chose the "lesser of two evils" term, not me.

There is nothing wrong with voting for the candidate you think is the best of those on the ballot, even if you would prefer to see someone else on the ballot.

Finding fault with your candidate or disagreeing with your candidate on issues isn't being a "Judas." Yoss has on occasion disagreed with something Bill Clinton said or did. Do you think Yoss is being a "Judas" for doing so?
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#1091082 - 12/03/08 06:32 PM Re: Liberals to keep pressure on Obama for results rainman
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rainman, my issue is with the "i didn't even like w in the first place but he was certainly better than that d@mn liberal!" crowd. i don't know how that isn't being judas. i'd rather hear "i didn't like he did this but but he did it because..." there is way too much orthodoxy going around on both sides.

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#1091110 - 12/03/08 07:05 PM Re: Liberals to keep pressure on Obama for results Hated By Some
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Yoss, you listed a bunch of things that don't have anything to do with liberal or conservative.
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#1091113 - 12/03/08 07:07 PM Re: Liberals to keep pressure on Obama for results Sound Tactic
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Originally Posted By: Rainer
Yoss has on occasion disagreed with something Bill Clinton said


Stop right there, you know its not true.
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#1091115 - 12/03/08 07:09 PM Re: Liberals to keep pressure on Obama for results Sound Tactic
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Yoss has on occasion disagreed with something Bill Clinton said or did.


Source???
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#1091131 - 12/03/08 07:24 PM Re: Liberals to keep pressure on Obama for results MB Guy
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MB Guy: I wasn't expecting conservatives to agree on the issues that I mentioned and I don't want to argue the details of each of them.

My point was that liberals opposed Bush on all of these issues. The claim was made that criticism of Bush was getting close to criticizing liberal ideology and that's not true.

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#1091138 - 12/03/08 07:28 PM Re: Liberals to keep pressure on Obama for results Yossarian
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Pulling people out of the ditc...
I'm wondering if what people consider to be liberal or conservative is today versus what they thought when Bush 2 took office. I bet it isn't...
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