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#1146587 - 03/17/09 08:17 PM Re: Group files FCC complaint against 'Family Guy' Miscuit
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Too vague!!

BOL considers [censored] foul language. Church does not.

Is a man without a shirt on nudity?

Acts of sex? To which president's definition do we refer? laugh
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#1146588 - 03/17/09 08:19 PM Re: Group files FCC complaint against 'Family Guy' Miscuit
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#1146624 - 03/17/09 08:51 PM Re: Group files FCC complaint against 'Family Guy' Peepers
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Pulling people out of the ditc...
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Is a man without a shirt on nudity?


technically, I think it would meet the definition of nudity, but it would only escalate to obscene depending on whom the man is...
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#1146671 - 03/17/09 10:09 PM Re: Group files FCC complaint against 'Family Guy' straw
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I don't think it's very hard to draw up some standards for a prime time slot on broadcast TV.

Then please do. I have only asked 3 times now. If it's not very hard, start drawing.

I'm not going to have that debate - my only complaint is with people acting as if "turn the channel/don't let your kids watch it" is a viable answer to everything. I'm trying to illustrate that it's not. If you think it is, make that argument.

Tell you what - concede that there should be standards, then we'll talk about what they should be.

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#1146674 - 03/17/09 10:12 PM Re: Group files FCC complaint against 'Family Guy' Jokerman
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well I agree there should not be pornography so yes I agree there should be some standards. We have them now. No female nudity, 7 dirty words, etc. You have argued the current standards are ineffective, so now, please start drawing new standards.

You won't because you know as well as I do that standards like these would be extremely difficult. We have lowest common denominator now because there are options if you don't like it. Prior restraint is a very harsh remedy and therefore is only invoked under very limited circumstances.

If you think you can do better than defining obscenity as "I know it when I see it", please let us and the FCC know. They have struggled with this for decades.

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#1146801 - 03/18/09 01:29 PM Re: Group files FCC complaint against 'Family Guy' straw
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I agree there should be some standards.

Good. Thank you. As I said, I don't have any interest in debating the standards.

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Prior restraint is a very harsh remedy and therefore is only invoked under very limited circumstances.

I will point out, though, that no one is talking about prior restraint. Asking the FCC to review a broadcast already made for compliance with decency standards is not prior restraint. Prior restraint would be asking the FCC to enjoin a broadcast from airing based on what you expect to be in it.

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#1146882 - 03/18/09 02:44 PM Re: Group files FCC complaint against 'Family Guy' Miscuit
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Originally Posted By: TX Bluebonnet
ok...we need to define each: nudity, acts of sex, foul language

go!


Nudity - private parts that a person only reveals in the privacy of their home, a locker room consisting of people of the same gender. I am not going to get more specific on a public banking site than that.

Acts of Sex should be obvious. If they are not to an adult, then that adult has issues and needs therapy or a good sound beating (or both) laugh

Foul language - George Carlin's 7 to start, and then possibly a reiew of the Urban Dictionary laugh
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#1146900 - 03/18/09 02:56 PM Re: Group files FCC complaint against 'Family Guy' TheManofSteel
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Nudity - I think I can give you that one.

Sex - how about things like groping? I wouldnt call that an act of sex. Appropriate for children to see - probably not.

I can think of at least one word on that list that I would rather have a child hear (or be more comfortable saying around a child) - 3.14(in math)ss grin - than a lot of words not on the list!
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#1146906 - 03/18/09 03:04 PM Re: Group files FCC complaint against 'Family Guy' A_G
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#1146915 - 03/18/09 03:17 PM Re: Group files FCC complaint against 'Family Guy' Jokerman
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I agree there should be some standards.

Good. Thank you. As I said, I don't have any interest in debating the standards.

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Prior restraint is a very harsh remedy and therefore is only invoked under very limited circumstances.

I will point out, though, that no one is talking about prior restraint. Asking the FCC to review a broadcast already made for compliance with decency standards is not prior restraint. Prior restraint would be asking the FCC to enjoin a broadcast from airing based on what you expect to be in it.


You said the standards are pretty easy to come up with, but don't care to debate them. I submit the standards are not that simple to come up with and you know it. The broadcast in question doesn't violate the current standards, you know it, you don't like the current standards, but cannot formulate a better alternative.

You simply want to moralize about what a shame it is such "filth" is broadcast. If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem and I submit you are part of the problem. At least we know you just want to moralize and don't actually have a solution. In the future, we can just tag your posts on this topic as moralizing and move on.

And the standards currently in place or the standards you would like to see, but aren't brave enough to submit, cause prior restraint since every broadcaster must examine content to ensure the content does not violate those standards. That is why it is difficult to come up with anything other than extremely narrowly tailored standards.

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#1146919 - 03/18/09 03:20 PM Re: Group files FCC complaint against 'Family Guy' straw
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I take back the nudity one.

imo, cartoon Peter Griffin showing the top part of the crack of his bum (which has been done many times on FG) is not the same as some human actor mooning the audience...

also, as far as female nudity, how much is too much. would a pasty do the trick to keep you happy?
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#1146946 - 03/18/09 03:32 PM Re: Group files FCC complaint against 'Family Guy' Miscuit
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#1146957 - 03/18/09 03:38 PM Re: Group files FCC complaint against 'Family Guy' edAudit
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So do (I'm guessing every, but I'll say) many jurisdictions in the US, just based on this FCC rule:

Obscene Broadcasts Are Prohibited at All Times

Obscene material is not protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution and cannot be broadcast at any time. The Supreme Court has established that, to be obscene, material must meet a three-pronged test:

An average person, applying contemporary community standards, must find that the material, as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest;

The material must depict or describe, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by applicable law; and

The material, taken as a whole, must lack serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.


Perhaps one of the lawyers (straw?) can elaborate better...
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#1146977 - 03/18/09 03:51 PM Re: Group files FCC complaint against 'Family Guy' straw
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You said the standards are pretty easy to come up with, but don't care to debate them.

No, I said it would be easy to come up with standards for prime time that would preclude a lot of what's included in Family Guy. People will disagree about the standards, no doubt. But that's part of democracy. Again, my only comment was in regards to the argument that since there's an off-switch, there shouldn't be any standards. You've conceded that you don't really believe that, so my interest in the discussion has ended.

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The broadcast in question doesn't violate the current standards, you know it, you don't like the current standards, but cannot formulate a better alternative.

No, I don't know it. I am not an expert on FCC interpretations of decency. I didn't write the FCC to complain about the show. I'm just saying people are within their rights to complain, or to advocate for different standards if they want. And I'm saying that the idea that there should be standards on the public airwaves isn't stupid.

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You simply want to moralize about what a shame it is such "filth" is broadcast.

I do think that it's a shame, regardless of whether it is or should be legal. If you want to disagree, that's fine.

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If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem and I submit you are part of the problem.

LOL - Ok, straw, step away from the edge. I'm sorry for contributing to the problem. Family Guy is my fault and I'm sorry.

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At least we know you just want to moralize and don't actually have a solution. In the future, we can just tag your posts on this topic as moralizing and move on.

Good - that shouuld save me a lot of time.

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And the standards currently in place or the standards you would like to see, but aren't brave enough to submit, cause prior restraint since every broadcaster must examine content to ensure the content does not violate those standards. That is why it is difficult to come up with anything other than extremely narrowly tailored standards.

Ok, again, I'm sorry. I feel bad for trying to censor the arts. Hitler would be so proud of me.

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#1146980 - 03/18/09 03:53 PM Re: Group files FCC complaint against 'Family Guy' Jokerman
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what do you think would happen if there weren't any standards?

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#1146984 - 03/18/09 03:53 PM Re: Group files FCC complaint against 'Family Guy' A_G
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This has been the FCC standard for some time. Enforcement ebbs and flows as different Commissioners interpret contemporary community standards differently.

The letter writing campaigns try to influence this by sending in thousands of form letters stating that they were offended by a certain broadcast.

Since some in this discussion have argued that Family Guy is offensive, I have asked what standard they violated and what standards could we put in place that would better protect our children from seeing such "filth". So far, I have received no answer.

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#1146985 - 03/18/09 03:54 PM Re: Group files FCC complaint against 'Family Guy' Miscuit
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#1146997 - 03/18/09 04:01 PM Re: Group files FCC complaint against 'Family Guy' Jokerman
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No, I said it would be easy to come up with standards for prime time that would preclude a lot of what's included in Family Guy. People will disagree about the standards, no doubt. But that's part of democracy. Again, my only comment was in regards to the argument that since there's an off-switch, there shouldn't be any standards. You've conceded that you don't really believe that, so my interest in the discussion has ended.


Obviously your interest in the discussion has not ended, only your interest in discussing solutions.


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The broadcast in question doesn't violate the current standards, you know it, you don't like the current standards, but cannot formulate a better alternative.

No, I don't know it. I am not an expert on FCC interpretations of decency. I didn't write the FCC to complain about the show. I'm just saying people are within their rights to complain, or to advocate for different standards if they want. And I'm saying that the idea that there should be standards on the public airwaves isn't stupid.


I never said anything otherwise. Shout from the rooftops that two woman using the word "enhanced" during the Super Bowl is pornography. I think many people will ask if you would like to put on a tin foil hat, but that is certainly your right.


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LOL - Ok, straw, step away from the edge. I'm sorry for contributing to the problem. Family Guy is my fault and I'm sorry.


Way to miss the point. Family Guy is not your fault. You are at fault for complaining without offering a solution, when other solutions already exist i.e. the off button. But if you think you know what is best for me or the rest of America to watch on TV, that is your business. I just think I might know what is best for me better than you do. Forgive me for feeling this way. I am sure you know what is best for me better than I do.

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And the standards currently in place or the standards you would like to see, but aren't brave enough to submit, cause prior restraint since every broadcaster must examine content to ensure the content does not violate those standards. That is why it is difficult to come up with anything other than extremely narrowly tailored standards.

Ok, again, I'm sorry. I feel bad for trying to censor the arts. Hitler would be so proud of me.


Once again, you are the morally superior to me for daring to question whether you know what is best for me. Perhaps I should be sent to a reeducation camp to learn what is best for me.

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#1146999 - 03/18/09 04:04 PM Re: Group files FCC complaint against 'Family Guy' straw
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Originally Posted By: straw

Once again, you are the morally superior to me for daring to question whether you know what is best for me. Perhaps I should be sent to a reeducation camp to learn what is best for me.



NOW you're finally gettin' it! smirk

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#1147001 - 03/18/09 04:06 PM Re: Group files FCC complaint against 'Family Guy' Miscuit
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Originally Posted By: TX Bluebonnet
Originally Posted By: straw

Once again, you are the morally superior to me for daring to question whether you know what is best for me. Perhaps I should be sent to a reeducation camp to learn what is best for me.



NOW you're finally gettin' it! smirk


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#1147019 - 03/18/09 04:16 PM Re: Group files FCC complaint against 'Family Guy' straw
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Originally Posted By: TX Bluebonnet
what do you think would happen if there weren't any standards?

Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria.

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Obviously your interest in the discussion has not ended, only your interest in discussing solutions.

Actually, my interest has ended. I've continued discussing the issue with you to be polite, but it appears that effort is wasted. You can now post to your heart's content about how you've won. Enjoy.

By the way, it's not that I know what's best, it's that I know some things are better than others. Some people just think nothing is better than anything else.

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#1147027 - 03/18/09 04:20 PM Re: Group files FCC complaint against 'Family Guy' Jokerman
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#1147035 - 03/18/09 04:22 PM Re: Group files FCC complaint against 'Family Guy' Jokerman
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Originally Posted By: TX Bluebonnet
what do you think would happen if there weren't any standards?

Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria.



laugh

it was actually a serious question...i was just curious as to what you (or anyone else) think would be the results of "no standards" regarding television programs

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#1147084 - 03/18/09 04:46 PM Re: Group files FCC complaint against 'Family Guy' Jokerman
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Originally Posted By: Jokerman
Originally Posted By: TX Bluebonnet
what do you think would happen if there weren't any standards?



Actually, my interest has ended. I've continued discussing the issue with you to be polite, but it appears that effort is wasted. You can now post to your heart's content about how you've won. Enjoy.


Doubt it.

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By the way, it's not that I know what's best, it's that I know some things are better than others. Some people just think nothing is better than anything else.


Forgive me for implying that you were omnipotent and morally superior. I will refrain from implying you are omnipotent and go with your self-admitted moral superiority.

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#1147099 - 03/18/09 04:55 PM Re: Group files FCC complaint against 'Family Guy' straw
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