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#1146927 - 03/18/09 03:25 PM
Re: Veterans Groups Blast Obama Plan
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Dear Santa,
I would like a nice flat screen TV.
Sincerely,
AG
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#1146932 - 03/18/09 03:27 PM
Re: Veterans Groups Blast Obama Plan
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Dear SantaEaster Bunny,
I would like a nice flat screen TV. Oh and some Cadbury Eggs.
Sincerely,
AG fixed
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#1146933 - 03/18/09 03:27 PM
Re: Veterans Groups Blast Obama Plan
Hrothgar Geiger
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Dear Abby,
My neighbor just bought was just given a flat-screen TV by the government. He is anti-social, impious, unkempt, and snarls at Girl Scouts who come by to sell cookies. I don't believe he deserves to have a flat-screen TV. If I take it away from him, does that really count as stealing?
That is a more appropriate analogy than saying the neighbor purchased the TV when it comes to government spending.
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#1146971 - 03/18/09 03:47 PM
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straw
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You stated that cutting Federal spending would be like taking away property that someone earned. Please show where I stated this. I'll wait.
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#1147024 - 03/18/09 04:18 PM
Re: Veterans Groups Blast Obama Plan
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You mean to tell me that BO wants her to pay for her own care? No, this is not being proposed. The issue is whether, if someone in the military has private insurance, the VA can get reimbursed by that insurance for what the VA has paid out for care. The service person definitely would not pay, it's just a question of whether the VA or the private insurance would pay.
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#1147056 - 03/18/09 04:33 PM
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straw and tx-bluebonnet:
Let's say the federal budget pie has three slices; White House parties, active duty military pay, and veteran's health care.
Next, let's say you want the slices for active duty pay and veteran's health care to be larger.
Option 1. you can make the whole pie bigger.
Oh, wait, you wanted another option "by not spending in other areas".
Well, OK, we will reduce, or even take away the White House party slice, and re-allocate that part of the pie to the other two.
What you're telling me is that because you don't think the White House should even *have* a party budget, taking it away doesn't count as the White House 'giving up a piece of the pie'.
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#1147085 - 03/18/09 04:46 PM
Re: Veterans Groups Blast Obama Plan
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QCL,
1. not Yoss.
2. perhaps you don't understand the following post;
"The proposition that private health insurers should pay for veteran's health care in addition to coverage by the Federal government is probably a bad idea for any number of reasons. Frankly, I don't know enough about the underlying details to even begin to list the reasons why it's a bad idea." HG: QCL was respondng to Yoss' last post even though she happened to hit "reply" under yours.
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#1147088 - 03/18/09 04:48 PM
Re: Veterans Groups Blast Obama Plan
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You act like there would be no adverse affect on the soldier. All I said was that the service member was not being asked to "pay for her own care". Whether there would be any adverse effects would depend on the details of the plan.
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#1147089 - 03/18/09 04:49 PM
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straw and tx-bluebonnet:
Let's say the federal budget pie has three slices; White House parties, active duty military pay, and veteran's health care.
Next, let's say you want the slices for active duty pay and veteran's health care to be larger.
Option 1. you can make the whole pie bigger.
Oh, wait, you wanted another option "by not spending in other areas".
Well, OK, we will reduce, or even take away the White House party slice, and re-allocate that part of the pie to the other two.
What you're telling me is that because you don't think the White House should even *have* a party budget, taking it away doesn't count as the White House 'giving up a piece of the pie'.
Your premise is that "white house party" is forever entitled to that money (taxpayer money taken from the people) and that this is a zero sum game, which of course it is not.
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#1147091 - 03/18/09 04:50 PM
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You act like there would be no adverse affect on the soldier. All I said was that the service member was not being asked to "pay for her own care". Whether there would be any adverse effects would depend on the details of the plan. extrapolate. What are the odds that the veteran would not have to pay for any care? I know you will say you cannot tell, but for others, what do you think. Is it more likely or less likely veterans would have to pay for some care?
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#1147100 - 03/18/09 04:55 PM
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What about the fact that if private insurers start having to cover military, or reimburse the government for their care, the cost of this care is going to be paid for by us, since we're the ones who will have higher premiums.
At this point in time, I would think that the government care is most likely cheaper than the cost of adding the eligible military to to private insurance.
If my husband goes on my medical - the cost more than doubles. If I go on his - the cost more than doubles, plus his company charges a $100/mth surcharge because I have the option to be covered by my employer.
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#1147107 - 03/18/09 04:57 PM
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"old-fashioned" ^^^^^^^^
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#1147112 - 03/18/09 05:00 PM
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extrapolate. What are the odds that the veteran would not have to pay for any care? If the language of the law didn't allow for it to count against lifetime maximums, for example, then it wouldn't. You are not asking for extrapolation, you are asking for speculation.
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#1147130 - 03/18/09 05:14 PM
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If the law prohibits that effect, then 0%. If the law allows that effect then 100%.
Better?
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