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#1159283 - 04/07/09 07:47 PM RoR on Business Purpose
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My bank is doing a second mortgage on a home equity loan on a husband and wife. The loan is being made to the husband and wife however the proceeds will be given to the husband's business for business purpose. Are we required to do RoR?

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#1159291 - 04/07/09 07:57 PM Re: RoR on Business Purpose ComplyOhMy
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Read the first sentence in the OSC to Section 226.23.
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#1159322 - 04/07/09 08:14 PM Re: RoR on Business Purpose Richard Insley
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Based upon the verbiage within the original post, I would respectfully disagree with Mr. Insley and say you are not required to provide a RoR or for that manner comply with Reg Z at all. See Section 226.3(a).

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#1159327 - 04/07/09 08:19 PM Re: RoR on Business Purpose Jon D
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Apparently you didn't read the first sentence to the Official Staff Commentry to 226.23.
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#1159340 - 04/07/09 08:27 PM Re: RoR on Business Purpose Dan Persfull
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You are absolutely correct. OSC didn’t register in my mind.

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#1159509 - 04/08/09 12:19 AM Re: RoR on Business Purpose Jon D
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Jon D - Since you don't post alot, I would suggest that you think twice before questioning Richard much when it comes to Regulation Z. smile He is probably one of the foremost authorities on Reg. Z in my mind. He has been top in my mind for the last twenty years after sitting as a wide-eyed beginning compliance officer at the ABA Compliance and Truth-in-Lendings Schools almost twenty years ago. But I guess that just makes me old......
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#1159592 - 04/08/09 12:48 PM Re: RoR on Business Purpose rlcarey
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Not old - experienced <grin>.
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#1159615 - 04/08/09 01:11 PM Re: RoR on Business Purpose rlcarey
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Yes, I've had 39 years experience with Reg. Z---and along the way I've gained a healthy respect for it's strange little twists, turns, and exceptions. One word--and certainly one definition--can change an answer totally.

JonD, your answer was right on the money and contained a cite. That's the way it's done & you shouldn't hesitate to challenge "experts" to defend their positions. That includes regulators. They get away with bulldozing bankers all the time because they're viewed as experts. With Reg. Z, sometimes there can be multiple correct answers or multiple paths to the best answer.

Randy, you've known me long enough to expect me to study a question twice before answering. I learned that the hard way, and those ABA Compliance Schools were one way I stayed sharp over the years. When you're surrounded by 300+ bankers and can't escape, you're going to be VERY embarrassed if you come up with wrong answers AND you get blasted with critical course evaluations after it's over. But..........as they say--no pain, no gain.
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#1159803 - 04/08/09 03:38 PM Re: RoR on Business Purpose Richard Insley
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Boy did HE hit Reg Z (to name just one weird and tangled reg) right on the head! wink
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