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#1172136 - 04/29/09 03:08 PM Abraham Lincoln
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You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by encouraging class hatred. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot keep out the trouble by spending more than you earn. You cannot build character and courage by taking away man's initiative and independence. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.


Have we moved on past Honest Abe's thoughts?
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#1172139 - 04/29/09 03:12 PM Re: Abraham Lincoln MB Guy
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if you're referring to "we" as America


well then i'm afraid "we" have

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#1172163 - 04/29/09 03:20 PM Re: Abraham Lincoln MB Guy
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You cannot build character and courage by taking away man's initiative and independence. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.

Stupid Abe - doesn't he know to keep his nose out of people's personal lives? Just focus on the fiscal issues, Mr. Lincoln, and maybe you can lead this "Republican Party" you think you're going to create to success. Mind your own business about the slave thing.

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#1172181 - 04/29/09 03:25 PM Re: Abraham Lincoln Jokerman
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Abe was a RINO - after all he wanted to grant citizenship to all those Africans who came here illegally.

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#1172187 - 04/29/09 03:27 PM Re: Abraham Lincoln straw
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They didn't come here illegally, they were brought here legally.
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#1172211 - 04/29/09 03:37 PM Re: Abraham Lincoln DD Regs
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Does anyone get a joke on this board?

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#1172213 - 04/29/09 03:38 PM Re: Abraham Lincoln straw
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#1172214 - 04/29/09 03:39 PM Re: Abraham Lincoln straw
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laugh




(there's lots of "jokes" on this board) whistle

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#1172227 - 04/29/09 03:48 PM Re: Abraham Lincoln straw
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Does anyone get a joke on this board?


I only understand this one:

A guy comes home screeching his car into the driveway.

He runs in the house and yells to his wife, "honey, I won the lottery, pack your bags".

She asks "what should I pack for, the beach or the mountains?".

He yells back "I don't care, just get the heck out!".
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#1172237 - 04/29/09 03:54 PM Re: Abraham Lincoln Peepers
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lol

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#1172287 - 04/29/09 04:20 PM Re: Abraham Lincoln straw
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laugh That's is funny Peepers.

So, Straw, did you forget to put the "I was joking about this" emotion face?
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#1172350 - 04/29/09 04:47 PM Re: Abraham Lincoln straw
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Does anyone get a joke on this board?

Do you?

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#1172377 - 04/29/09 04:57 PM Re: Abraham Lincoln Jokerman
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I don't get it!

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#1172383 - 04/29/09 05:01 PM Re: Abraham Lincoln Jokerman
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Originally Posted By: Jokerman
Originally Posted By: MB Guy
You cannot build character and courage by taking away man's initiative and independence. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.

Stupid Abe - doesn't he know to keep his nose out of people's personal lives? Just focus on the fiscal issues, Mr. Lincoln, and maybe you can lead this "Republican Party" you think you're going to create to success. Mind your own business about the slave thing.


You are very good at broad sweeping generalities, and misdirected analogies.

::scibbles notes::
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#1172384 - 04/29/09 05:01 PM Re: Abraham Lincoln DD Regs
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laugh That's is funny Peepers.

So, Straw, did you forget to put the "I was joking about this" emotion face?


Sorry, I forgot that the only way a joke can be presented is with an emoticon. tired grin crazy

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#1172508 - 04/29/09 06:11 PM Re: Abraham Lincoln #Just Jay
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You cannot build character and courage by taking away man's initiative and independence. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.

Stupid Abe - doesn't he know to keep his nose out of people's personal lives? Just focus on the fiscal issues, Mr. Lincoln, and maybe you can lead this "Republican Party" you think you're going to create to success. Mind your own business about the slave thing.

You are very good at broad sweeping generalities, and misdirected analogies.

::scibbles notes::

Uh...ok.

::shreds notepad::

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#1172888 - 04/29/09 10:14 PM Re: Abraham Lincoln Jokerman
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I think Abraham Lincoln was right.

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#1173053 - 04/30/09 01:18 PM Re: Abraham Lincoln MB Guy
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Originally Posted By: MB Guy
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You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by encouraging class hatred. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot keep out the trouble by spending more than you earn. You cannot build character and courage by taking away man's initiative and independence. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.


Have we moved on past William John Henry Boetcker's thoughts?


Fixed.
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#1173738 - 04/30/09 08:14 PM Re: Abraham Lincoln dblack
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Originally Posted By: dblack
Originally Posted By: MB Guy
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You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by encouraging class hatred. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot keep out the trouble by spending more than you earn. You cannot build character and courage by taking away man's initiative and independence. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.


Have we moved on past William John Henry Boetcker's thoughts?


Fixed.



How dare you contradict the Christian extremists: http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/BibleStudyAndTheology/Discipleship/lincoln_cannots.aspx

But there is no contradicting Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._H._Boetcker
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#1173742 - 04/30/09 08:15 PM Re: Abraham Lincoln Mint Julep
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wiki wiki wikipedia is "the source for all sources" smirk

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#1173747 - 04/30/09 08:18 PM Re: Abraham Lincoln Mint Julep
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Originally Posted By: dblack
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You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by encouraging class hatred. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot keep out the trouble by spending more than you earn. You cannot build character and courage by taking away man's initiative and independence. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.


Have we moved on past William John Henry Boetcker's thoughts?


Fixed.



How dare you contradict the Christian extremists: http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/BibleStudyAndTheology/Discipleship/lincoln_cannots.aspx

But there is no contradicting Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._H._Boetcker


So, this was not AL? Oops, didn't realize that if it wasn't him (not clicking your links, sorry).

Alas, I agree with the commentary, regardless as to who said it.

Do you?
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#1173755 - 04/30/09 08:23 PM Re: Abraham Lincoln MB Guy
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Yes I agree with them, they just were not from Honest Abe.

http://www.illinoishistory.gov/facsimiles.htm

Last edited by dblack; 04/30/09 08:24 PM.
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#1173758 - 04/30/09 08:27 PM Re: Abraham Lincoln MB Guy
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Do you?
Since the commentary contradicts everything the far left stands for, I am going to guess no.
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#1173767 - 04/30/09 08:35 PM Re: Abraham Lincoln Jokerman
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Stupid Abe - doesn't he know to keep his nose out of people's personal lives? Just focus on the fiscal issues, Mr. Lincoln, and maybe you can lead this "Republican Party" you think you're going to create to success. Mind your own business about the slave thing.


The Republican Party was started in Wisconsin in 1854. Lincoln was not actively involved in politics at the time, i.e, holding or running for office. He had previously run for office as a Whig. He was considered a staunch Whig. While he was instrumental in bringing the party early victories and forming a platform, the party existed without him.

Lincoln had one primary goal during his administration - to save the Union of states. While he agreed that slavery was morally wrong, he was willing to leave it alone if he could save the Union.

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume V, "Letter to Horace Greeley" (August 22, 1862), p. 388.

I cannot recommend enough reading Lincoln's writings, quotes and speeches. He had a natural gift with words and an incredible sense of humor.

A couple of things you may not know about Lincoln:

He didn't take to the campaign trail and "run" for President. At that time candidates were nominated and those nominating them did the campaigning on their behalf. For a man to go out and actually ask for votes was considered unseemly. Stephen Douglas was the first to do it in 1860 and only won Missouri.

When Lincoln and Douglas were touring Illinois and presenting their series of debates, they travelled together and often slept in the same bed in hotels. They had no "entourage" or handlers. It was just two guys going from one city to the next and making public appearances.
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#1173777 - 04/30/09 08:42 PM Re: Abraham Lincoln Mint Julep
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^^^^ good, informative post

<----- hasn't read much of Lincoln's writings...


but i will now

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