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#1198672 - 06/10/09 03:21 PM Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop Truffle Royale
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aren't facts the truth?

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#1198676 - 06/10/09 03:25 PM Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop Miscuit
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Originally Posted By: Miscuit
so the way you were raised, your religion, your education, etc. would could lead you to a different "truth" as to what makes a square a square?

exactly
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#1198682 - 06/10/09 03:28 PM Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop Bobby Boucher
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AAHH- I've missed this smile

And this has missed you - where ya been?



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#1198687 - 06/10/09 03:29 PM Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop Miscuit
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Originally Posted By: Miscuit
aren't facts the truth?
Yes. However, just like apples are fruit but all fruit are not apples, all truths are not facts.

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#1198695 - 06/10/09 03:32 PM Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop Truffle Royale
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Originally Posted By: Truffle Royale
Originally Posted By: Miscuit
aren't facts the truth?
Yes. However, just like apples are fruit but all fruit are not apples, all truths are not facts.


i'm not following...

you've just stated 2 truths:

1) apples are fruit
2) all fruit are not apples

i must just be dense

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#1198696 - 06/10/09 03:32 PM Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop Miscuit
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Originally Posted By: Miscuit
aren't facts the truth?



Not necesarily.

TRUTH: Earth is round (basically)

FACT (circa 1400's): Earth is flat

Basic truths don't change; facts can.
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#1198698 - 06/10/09 03:34 PM Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop Snow Bunny
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Originally Posted By: P.B.
Originally Posted By: Miscuit
aren't facts the truth?



Not necesarily.

TRUTH: Earth is round (basically)

FACT (circa 1400's): Earth is flat

Basic truths don't change; facts can.





but i thought that was just a "theory"...

wasn't a fact until it was proven/disproven


isn't this fun?

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#1198700 - 06/10/09 03:35 PM Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop Miscuit
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......and the wheels on the bus, go round and round, round and round, round and round......

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#1198703 - 06/10/09 03:36 PM Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop Truffle Royale
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Originally Posted By: Truffle Royale
Ok, so we're talking 'truth' vs 'fact'. Fact is a square is a square. Perspective (back to your core beliefs) influences whether you believe what BO is preaching is the truth or not. All I'm saying is I agree with the concept of perspective influencing what one believes to be the truth.


I agree with Truff.

You cannot dispute that a square is a square.....it is a fact. On the other hand, as a Christian I believe there is a God and only ONE God....that is the truth to ME based on my beliefs and upbringing. However, for those of other denominations (or those who are athiests) that is NOT the truth. Since it cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt by us human beings, I suppose, it cannot be a fact.

NOTE: NOT trying to make this about religion, just used it as an example. wink
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#1198706 - 06/10/09 03:36 PM Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop Snow Bunny
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#1198710 - 06/10/09 03:42 PM Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop Snow Bunny
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Originally Posted By: P.B.
Originally Posted By: Miscuit
aren't facts the truth?



Not necesarily.

TRUTH: Earth is round (basically)

FACT (circa 1400's): Earth is flat

Basic truths don't change; facts can.





I'd say you have them switched, P.B.
But, here's what the world reknowned source Wiki says:
Truth
The meaning of the word truth extends from honesty, good faith, and sincerity in general, to agreement with fact or reality in particular. The term has no single definition about which the majority of professional philosophers and scholars agree. Various theories of truth continue to be debated. There are differing claims on such questions as what constitutes truth; how to define and identify truth; the roles that revealed and acquired knowledge play; and whether truth is subjective, relative, objective, or absolute. This article introduces the various perspectives and claims, both today and throughout history.

So, if the majority of scholars and philosophers can't agree, you can bet a bunch of bankers never will either. wink

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#1198720 - 06/10/09 03:46 PM Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop Truffle Royale
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ok, but how do we know that the Wiki entry is the truth? smile
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#1198723 - 06/10/09 03:49 PM Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop Bobby Boucher
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just shoot me now!


crazy

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#1198732 - 06/10/09 03:56 PM Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop Miscuit
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y'all are being so serious!
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#1198733 - 06/10/09 03:57 PM Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop Pale Rider
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ha! me? never!

(or i try to avoid it at all costs)

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#1198738 - 06/10/09 03:59 PM Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop Miscuit
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Originally Posted By: Miscuit
just shoot me now!


crazy

grin

Don't worry Ms B, I'm done too. That last comment was simply me being facetious(facetiousfacetious) smile
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#1198744 - 06/10/09 04:00 PM Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop Bobby Boucher
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shocked


how YOU doin'?

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#1198785 - 06/10/09 04:25 PM Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop Miscuit
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I checked Snopes and there is no truth to truth.

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#1198787 - 06/10/09 04:25 PM Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop straw
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#1198793 - 06/10/09 04:29 PM Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop Miscuit
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Snopes is not a valid source, it is run by left wing nuts.

Try again. grin
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#1198797 - 06/10/09 04:31 PM Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop DeeQ
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is that left wingnuts?

or left-wing nuts?


y'all are so confusing around here!

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#1198798 - 06/10/09 04:32 PM Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop Miscuit
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Ok, perhaps my analogies will straigthen things out for all of you:

Fact - I am currently employed
Fact - My hair is brown (after grecian)
Truth - I am MAD DIESEL and Drop Dead Gorgeous HUNK
Truth - The Pittsburgh Steelers are the greatest sports franchise in history.

Do you understand the stark differences? If not then:
fact - you just don't get it
truth - you need an open-hand italian slap in the mouth

Do you agree with my facts and truth? If no then:
fact - you have no taste and need help
truth - you will get both an open-hand slap and a backhand across your cakehole when I see you.
fact - If you are a woman, you will agree once you lay eyes on me. AND THAT'S THE TRUTH!!!
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#1198808 - 06/10/09 04:36 PM Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop TheManofSteel
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Originally Posted By: Hypocycloid
Ok, perhaps my analogies will straigthen things out for all of you:

Fact - I am currently employed
Fact - My hair is brown (after grecian)
Truth - I am MAD DIESEL and Drop Dead Gorgeous HUNK
Truth - The Pittsburgh Steelers are the greatest sports franchise in history.

Do you understand the stark differences? If not then:
fact - you just don't get it
truth - you need an open-hand italian slap in the mouth

Do you agree with my facts and truth? If no then:
fact - you have no taste and need help
truth - you will get both an open-hand slap and a backhand across your cakehole when I see you.
fact - If you are a woman, you will agree once you lay eyes on me. AND THAT'S THE TRUTH!!!


If you want the truth, PM me. I met him in person. whistle
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#1198809 - 06/10/09 04:36 PM Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop TheManofSteel
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so basically...in your example...a truth is a "matter of opinion" (from some woman that clearly must be drunk)


laugh (you know i ♥ you)

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#1198818 - 06/10/09 04:40 PM Re: Obama's approval ratings continue to drop DeeQ
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Originally Posted By: Deekles
Originally Posted By: Hypocycloid
Ok, perhaps my analogies will straigthen things out for all of you:

Fact - I am currently employed
Fact - My hair is brown (after grecian)
Truth - I am MAD DIESEL and Drop Dead Gorgeous HUNK
Truth - The Pittsburgh Steelers are the greatest sports franchise in history.

Do you understand the stark differences? If not then:
fact - you just don't get it
truth - you need an open-hand italian slap in the mouth

Do you agree with my facts and truth? If no then:
fact - you have no taste and need help
truth - you will get both an open-hand slap and a backhand across your cakehole when I see you.
fact - If you are a woman, you will agree once you lay eyes on me. AND THAT'S THE TRUTH!!!


If you want the truth, PM me. I met him in person. whistle


You know you thought the same too, Don't tell an untruth now. laugh

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so basically...in your example...a truth is a "matter of opinion" (from some woman that clearly must be drunk)
(you know i ♥ you)


You are compelled to. And that's a fact!!! grin
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