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#1204200 - 06/19/09 01:09 PM $80,000 per download
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Jury rules against Minn. woman in download case

A federal jury ruled Thursday that Jammie Thomas-Rasset willfully violated the copyrights on 24 songs, and awarded recording companies $1.92 million, or $80,000 per song.


At first I felt bad kind of bad for this woman (big bad record industry vs. mother of 4), until I read this:

Cara Duckworth, a spokeswoman for the RIAA, said the industry remains willing to settle. She refused to name a figure, but acknowledged Thomas-Rasset had been given the chance to settle for $3,000 to $5,000 earlier in the case.
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#1204227 - 06/19/09 01:33 PM Re: $80,000 per download A_G
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That's pretty harsh. I think RIAA is shooting themselves in the foot with this kind of litigation. Music sales continue to plummet (I know I don't buy as much music as I did in the past - and the music I do buy tends to be older bands now), and I don't see the quality of performance like I used to.

Plus, it seems like "albums" are dead. Remember when you'd talk about all the tracks on an album? How it flowed, and how the the overall work was viewed? Now it seems I only buy only singles...The last full album I've liked was Wolfmother's first (and only) album...and that's like 6 years old now.
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#1204378 - 06/19/09 03:22 PM Re: $80,000 per download FBH
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Everyone is given the right to "settle" for $3,000 to $5,000. That's how it worked. The RIAA would contact someone and claim he or she illegaly downloaded and/or shared music protected by copyright. Then they would say, however, if you agree to pay us $3,000 we won't file a lawsuit.

Some people consider this offer to "settle" to be tantamount to extortion, but were intimidated enough to accept the offer, even if they didn't do anything wrong. Ms. Thomas-Rasset decided (or was talked into it) to challenge the RIAA's practices and go to court.

Now, the RIAA wants ISPs to enforce copyright law by giving us three strikes and then cutting off our access to the internet. That tactic seems to be failing in France due to public outcry.

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#1204380 - 06/19/09 03:24 PM Re: $80,000 per download buggs
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#1204398 - 06/19/09 03:45 PM Re: $80,000 per download buggs
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Originally Posted By: Bugs Bunny
Everyone is given the right to "settle" for $3,000 to $5,000. That's how it worked. The RIAA would contact someone and claim he or she illegaly downloaded and/or shared music protected by copyright. Then they would say, however, if you agree to pay us $3,000 we won't file a lawsuit.

Some people consider this offer to "settle" to be tantamount to extortion, but were intimidated enough to accept the offer, even if they didn't do anything wrong. Ms. Thomas-Rasset decided (or was talked into it) to challenge the RIAA's practices and go to court.

Now, the RIAA wants ISPs to enforce copyright law by giving us three strikes and then cutting off our access to the internet. That tactic seems to be failing in France due to public outcry.


I might try something like this this weekend. Whenever anything happens to me, I'm going to ask the nearest person if they'd like to settle the dispute now with a $1,000 check, or risk going to court. Maybe I'll get enough settlements to pay off my law school loans...Sheer brilliance!
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#1204402 - 06/19/09 03:47 PM Re: $80,000 per download buggs
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Originally Posted By: Bugs Bunny
Some people consider this offer to "settle" to be tantamount to extortion, but were intimidated enough to accept the offer, even if they didn't do anything wrong. Ms. Thomas-Rasset decided (or was talked into it) to challenge the RIAA's practices and go to court.


Aren't settlements and plea deals a huge part of our justice system?

It's the way things work.
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#1204407 - 06/19/09 03:48 PM Re: $80,000 per download A_G
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Absolutely - they beat the costs of trial any day! I'm a big fan of settlements.
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#1204424 - 06/19/09 04:01 PM Re: $80,000 per download FBH
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This issue with the RIAA's settlements is that nobody knew for sure (for a variety of reasons) whether or not the RIAA could prove infringment. Many look upon the RIAA as using the legal system to strong arm individuals into forking over money in order to scare others from downloading "free" music files.

It's worked somewhat for them, but as someone has already pointed out, the music industry is still seeing their sales drop, so one has to ask, whether these tactics help or hurt the industry in the long run.

Here's a joke flowchart about how the process works. But remember, there is some truth behind this joke.

RIAA Lawsuit Decision Matrix

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#1204448 - 06/19/09 04:18 PM Re: $80,000 per download buggs
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Pulling people out of the ditc...
wait a minute, having parties agree to settle is wrong, wrong, wrong...just look over there>>>>>in the Donte Stallworth thread
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#1204458 - 06/19/09 04:28 PM Re: $80,000 per download HappyGilmore
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I admit i'm a pirate, but if i like the band i will go out and buy a cd just to support them.
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#1204476 - 06/19/09 04:52 PM Re: $80,000 per download Spook-a-Muffin
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Last two albums I bought were pretty much terrible. Last one was a couple years ago, and I don't know that I'll buy another unless it's classic rock.

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#1204492 - 06/19/09 05:05 PM Re: $80,000 per download Ops
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Note to Ops: There aren't that many classic rock albums coming out these days. grin
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#1204627 - 06/19/09 07:04 PM Re: $80,000 per download GuitarDude
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Ops, there's good new music out there, you just can't rely upon the major labels to sign and promote these bands. You have to listen to the right radio stations and podcasts, track the right blogs, and keep your ears open.

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#1204792 - 06/19/09 09:21 PM Re: $80,000 per download buggs
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Here's the $2 million dollar playlist:

Guns N Roses "Welcome to the Jungle"; "November Rain"
Vanessa Williams "Save the Best for Last"
Janet Jackson "Let’s What Awhile"
Gloria Estefan "Here We Are"; "Coming Out of the Heart"; "Rhythm is Gonna Get You"
Goo Goo Dolls "Iris"
Journey "Faithfully"; "Don’t Stop Believing"
Sara McLachlan "Possession"; "Building a Mystery"
Aerosmith "Cryin’"
Linkin Park "One Step Closer"
Def Leppard "Pour Some Sugar on Me"
Reba McEntire "One Honest Heart"
Bryan Adams "Somebody"
No Doubt "Bathwater"; "Hella Good"; "Different People"
Sheryl Crow "Run Baby Run"
Richard Marx "Now and Forever"
Destiny’s Child "Bills, Bills, Bills"
Green Day "Basket Case"

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#1204798 - 06/19/09 09:33 PM Re: $80,000 per download buggs
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for $2 million dollars you would think she would share some good music
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#1204799 - 06/19/09 09:33 PM Re: $80,000 per download buggs
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Originally Posted By: GuitarDude
Note to Ops: There aren't that many classic rock albums coming out these days. grin


You're a turd. grin

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Originally Posted By: Bugs Bunny
Ops, there's good new music out there, you just can't rely upon the major labels to sign and promote these bands. You have to listen to the right radio stations and podcasts, track the right blogs, and keep your ears open.


That takes too much time I don't have. Why don't you just tell me where to look. laugh Oh, wait... we don't so much agree on [most] music. Scratch that.

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#1204802 - 06/19/09 09:36 PM Re: $80,000 per download Ops
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Originally Posted By: Ops
Originally Posted By: GuitarDude
Note to Ops: There aren't that many classic rock albums coming out these days. grin


You're a turd. grin

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good job with the turd reference
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#1204803 - 06/19/09 09:37 PM Re: $80,000 per download Peepers
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Thanks.. I put a lot of thought into that.

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#1204812 - 06/19/09 09:47 PM Re: $80,000 per download Ops
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Originally Posted By: Ops
That takes too much time I don't have. Why don't you just tell me where to look. laugh Oh, wait... we don't so much agree on [most] music. Scratch that.

LOL! I'd love to, but well, we know what would happen. laugh

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#1204848 - 06/19/09 10:59 PM Re: $80,000 per download buggs
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Give it a shot.. dunno how long it'll last. laugh

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