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#1210044 - 06/30/09 03:50 PM Re: Honduras straw
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Chavez does not have much of a future. Mark my words, he will be gone (politically) within 5 years.

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#1210050 - 06/30/09 03:55 PM Re: Honduras Buccs
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He has consolidated his power entirely. No one can challenge him. And when oil revenue inevitably picks up again, those petro-dollars will enable him to maintain control permanently.

Additionally, he will be more emboldened than ever. History repeats itself and we will see Chavista type movements in every Central and South American country, just as we had during the Carter administration.

We will see how this or the next administration handles it. Not off to a good start though.

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#1210065 - 06/30/09 04:04 PM Re: Honduras straw
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Straw- the only coups in the 70s that stick out to me are the Chilean, Uruguayan, Ecuadorian, and Bolivian coups which were right wing overthrows of democratically elected (but leftist) governments. The coups and hard-left leaders being elected in central and south america today are in some ways a reaction to coups like those.

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#1210211 - 06/30/09 06:28 PM Re: Honduras Buccs
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El Salvador, Nicaragua, Guatamala, Argentina, Colombia. Shoer memory. Perhaps if I said insurgencies or civil wars.

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#1210214 - 06/30/09 06:29 PM Re: Honduras straw
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¡ eek !
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#1210219 - 06/30/09 06:33 PM Re: Honduras A_G
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¡ ay caramba !

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#1210220 - 06/30/09 06:34 PM Re: Honduras A_G
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I guess I didn't do good enough research straw. I stand corrected.

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#1210223 - 06/30/09 06:35 PM Re: Honduras Buccs
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I love that the español characters are back! cool

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#1210225 - 06/30/09 06:37 PM Re: Honduras Buccs
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I guess I didn't do good enough research straw. I stand corrected.



Fair enough, but this wasn't really the point of our discussion anyway. Given you feel that Chavez is going to be a transient figure, I can understand your attitude toward Honduras. Since I beleive he is likely the next Castro, I hope you can understand my attitude towards Honduras.

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#1210230 - 06/30/09 06:42 PM Re: Honduras straw
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I do understand, and I guess time will tell. The only reason why I don't think he can be the next Castro is because he won't have the international support (*cough*USSR*cough) that Castro did. He has some support, but not nearly the amount of backing for strategic purposes that Castro did in the 60's.

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#1210313 - 06/30/09 07:55 PM Re: Honduras Buccs
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he has something Castro didn't have - oil

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#1210423 - 06/30/09 09:29 PM Re: Honduras straw
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My how the Democratic party has changed:

Kennedy in 1961. We will support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.


Obama 2009: With his stance regarding “Not meddling” in Iran and Hondorus he is taking the following stance:

“We will support any foe, oppose any friend, in order to assure the survival and success of tyranny.”
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#1210433 - 06/30/09 09:53 PM Re: Honduras DD Regs
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Goes right along with "Ask not what you acn do for your country, but what your country can do for you."

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