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#1221241 - 07/23/09 03:45 PM
Re: Health Care
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I would just like to say that YES i think healthcare needs to be tweaked a little becasue i really don't think its that bad, NO i don't have a plane but i think our public servants should carefully disect it and not rush into anything, and MAYBE if i play the draft right I will be able to dominate in fantasy football this year.
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#1221244 - 07/23/09 03:47 PM
Re: Health Care
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I boil it down to this.
We have all, at some point, had to deal with a government agency for personal reasons, professional reasons, or both. Think of how those dealings went. (pause for thought time). Do you want those same people making decisions on your health care?
The defense rests.
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#1221246 - 07/23/09 03:47 PM
Re: Health Care
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I apologize if your feelings were hurt. I'm also sorry that your attempt at taking over the other threads failed. But I did notice the point you were trying to prove. Clever move, worthy advisary, clever move.
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#1221248 - 07/23/09 03:47 PM
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Straw I think I am in agreement with you. Our health care is still cheaper because it does not cost us half of our paycheck. So what is the problem? The problem is that Obama needs to check the detail in his "facts".
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#1221249 - 07/23/09 03:47 PM
Re: Health Care
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Did anyone watch/hear Obama's speech last night?
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#1221257 - 07/23/09 03:50 PM
Re: Health Care
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I apologize if your feelings were hurt. I'm also sorry that your attempt at taking over the other threads failed. But I did notice the point you were trying to prove. Clever move, worthy advisary, clever move. I am not attempting to take over the other threads. Just thought that thread topics had become pointless and all threads were basically one large chat room. Is this not the case?
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#1221260 - 07/23/09 03:51 PM
Re: Health Care
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definitely the case.
for realz.
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#1221400 - 07/23/09 05:26 PM
Re: Health Care
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Do you want those same people making decisions on your health care? I don't understand where you get this idea. He's not even suggesting that government make decisions for people about their coverage, let alone their health care. The whole point of this reform is put the decision-making back into the hands of doctors & patients - out of the hands of insurance companies, and not in the hands of government. I didn't watch the speech last night, but looked up a transcript this morning. I don't have any issues with what he identified has been "roughly" agreed to. It seems to me the major conflict at the moment is figuring out how to cover 1/3 of the cost. I just wonder about the scope of coverage - will people who choose alternative medicine be able to get insurance that will make these treatments more affordable?
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#1221416 - 07/23/09 05:37 PM
Re: Health Care
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Becka, that is the problem with most of BO's speeches. They sound good and relatively innocuous until you start looking at the implications of them, and the actions that will be required to fulfill the promises that he is and has been making.
Do you support the actions he has taken so far?
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#1221430 - 07/23/09 05:59 PM
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The problem I have with this bill is that I just haven't had time to read the 1000+ pages of it to even begin to understand it. I have read some things about it, that do raise some concerns such as: If you have your own plan you will be 'frozen' in that coverage plan.
How true is that? I don't know because I can't even find the bill online to try to verify it.
It seems like BO is trying to sell us something without giving us a chance to read the fine print. (Which could be important)
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#1221432 - 07/23/09 06:01 PM
Re: Health Care
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Do you want those same people making decisions on your health care? I don't understand where you get this idea. He's not even suggesting that government make decisions for people about their coverage, let alone their health care. The whole point of this reform is put the decision-making back into the hands of doctors & patients - out of the hands of insurance companies, and not in the hands of government. I didn't watch the speech last night, but looked up a transcript this morning. I don't have any issues with what he identified has been "roughly" agreed to. It seems to me the major conflict at the moment is figuring out how to cover 1/3 of the cost. I just wonder about the scope of coverage - will people who choose alternative medicine be able to get insurance that will make these treatments more affordable? The point of the "reform" is to provide insurance for the uninsured. The problem is with the Government getting involved to the extent they want to, there will be an enormous waste of recources, and as Straw points out, it will definately lead to rationing, leaving the decision to treat or not to treat in someone elses hands. Even now certain decisions are out of the doctors and or patients hands. Insurance companies make decisions as to certain procedures, drugs, etc. By no means is the current system perfect. My biggest concern is the speed that he is trying to push this through. Why the big rush to spend a trillion dollars? Everyone needs time to understand the program and where the funding will come from.
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#1221446 - 07/23/09 06:07 PM
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Pulling people out of the ditc...
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I don't understand where you get this idea. He's not even suggesting that government make decisions for people about their coverage, let alone their health care. The whole point of this reform is put the decision-making back into the hands of doctors & patients - out of the hands of insurance companies, and not in the hands of government.
Sadly, you are woefully incorrect on this point. There will be a review panel that will determine what procedures are necessary, taking the decision from both the patient and the doctor, and placing it squarely in whatever government agency/panel that is created.
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#1221469 - 07/23/09 06:22 PM
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::cough cough::
is this where i can get some good health care? Yes it is. You're number 245,678,890 Please have a seat and wait to be called.
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#1221474 - 07/23/09 06:27 PM
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#1221476 - 07/23/09 06:28 PM
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#1221504 - 07/23/09 06:47 PM
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most health related expenses occur in the last year of life, so us oldies will be the ones paying for all this...
by having the care rationed away from us - the ones not worth the effort .....
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#1221505 - 07/23/09 06:47 PM
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Pulling people out of the ditc...
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::cough cough::
is this where i can get some good health care? yes, please bend over and prepare for the government to give it to you good in order to pay for the healthcare...
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#1221515 - 07/23/09 06:54 PM
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most health related expenses occur in the last year of life, so us oldies will be the ones paying for all this...
by having the care rationed away from us - the ones not worth the effort .....
Well that might be enough to make me change my position  (just kidding)
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#1221533 - 07/23/09 07:06 PM
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I don't understand where you get this idea. He's not even suggesting that government make decisions for people about their coverage, let alone their health care. The whole point of this reform is put the decision-making back into the hands of doctors & patients - out of the hands of insurance companies, and not in the hands of government.
Sadly, you are woefully incorrect on this point. There will be a review panel that will determine what procedures are necessary, taking the decision from both the patient and the doctor, and placing it squarely in whatever government agency/panel that is created.  Is this what you're referring to: "The Republican Congress passed a bill that created a panel of health care experts to make recommendations to Congress on how we could get better quality, lower cost. ... It's not going to reduce Medicare benefits. What it's going to do is to change how those benefits are delivered so that they're more efficient."
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#1221540 - 07/23/09 07:10 PM
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The Congressional majority wants to pay for its $1 trillion to $1.6 trillion health bills with new taxes and a $500 billion cut to Medicare. This cut will come just as baby boomers turn 65 and increase Medicare enrollment by 30%. Less money and more patients will necessitate rationing. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that only 1% of Medicare cuts will come from eliminating fraud, waste and abuse. I don't understand how you conclude that care will need to be rationed, unless you are assuming that Medicare is the only option people have for coverage?
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