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#1224866 - 07/30/09 04:05 PM
Re: Things are tough? Need to cut back?
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But how many people did Laura have on staff Pale? Was it a similar number?
where are we going? alright! the Bushes are cheap and paid minimum wage!!! there, are you happy? (I don't know the numbers, it was easier to find the dollars, so let me go look)
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#1224871 - 07/30/09 04:07 PM
Re: Things are tough? Need to cut back?
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Don't question anything.
Or this thread will be trashed next.
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#1224873 - 07/30/09 04:09 PM
Re: Things are tough? Need to cut back?
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#1224875 - 07/30/09 04:10 PM
Re: Things are tough? Need to cut back?
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#1224882 - 07/30/09 04:15 PM
Re: Things are tough? Need to cut back?
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Geesh! Is it full moon?
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#1224886 - 07/30/09 04:16 PM
Re: Things are tough? Need to cut back?
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you know full well this only impacts females!
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#1224894 - 07/30/09 04:19 PM
Re: Things are tough? Need to cut back?
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I have gone to the list of staff provided for the White House in 2004. It is difficult to know by title whether some of the folks split duties for Mrs. Bush with 43, but I counted 10 people working in the Office of the First Lady for that $600 thousand plus number.
So it appears on the surface that Mrs. Bush spent far less money and had fewer staff as well; but these are complicated times we live in.....
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#1224924 - 07/30/09 04:39 PM
Re: Things are tough? Need to cut back?
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Reviewing the National Journal story above for staff designated for the first lady or "social" directors, I identified 12 staff for Laura Bush, compared to the 22 identified for Michelle Obama in the story that began the thread. For whatever it's worth.
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#1224928 - 07/30/09 04:42 PM
Re: Things are tough? Need to cut back?
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Well, doubling the staff for the First Lady is "change" technically speaking...
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#1224951 - 07/30/09 04:55 PM
Re: Things are tough? Need to cut back?
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What's your point? First ladies have a staff. What about the numbers for Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Ford, Carter? A little context would be appreciated.
But I guess faux outrage will suffice.
edit: beaten by PB Is this real outrage or faux outrage now that we know Mrs. Obama has twice the staff that Mrs. Bush had?
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#1224968 - 07/30/09 05:09 PM
Re: Things are tough? Need to cut back?
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To all but double the number of staff is definitely excessive. Laura Bush may have required less than average or an average number. A slight increase would be understood, but not to all but double the number.
I think in situations like this, the administration comes (read that as ANY administration) in thinking rather highly of themselves, and goes to excess. Now it is up to the people to see this excess and do something about it.
Several first ladies in recent history have had the wrath of the people come down on them. Nancy Reagan, Hillary Clinton, and now, possibly, it will be Michelle Obama's turn.
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#1224973 - 07/30/09 05:15 PM
Re: Things are tough? Need to cut back?
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Well, doubling the staff for the First Lady is "change" technically speaking... Feeling all hopey and changey now I'm just HOPING that AFTER ALL THIS CHANGE, I have more left than just CHANGE.
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#1224976 - 07/30/09 05:16 PM
Re: Things are tough? Need to cut back?
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To all but double the number of staff is definitely excessive. Laura Bush may have required less than average or an average number. A slight increase would be understood, but not to all but double the number.
I think in situations like this, the administration comes (read that as ANY administration) in thinking rather highly of themselves, and goes to excess. Now it is up to the people to see this excess and do something about it.
Several first ladies in recent history have had the wrath of the people come down on them. Nancy Reagan, Hillary Clinton, and now, possibly, it will be Michelle Obama's turn. Not likely since the media would have to raise the issue and they are unlikely to do so for her.
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#1224978 - 07/30/09 05:18 PM
Re: Things are tough? Need to cut back?
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To all but double the number of staff is definitely excessive. Laura Bush may have required less than average or an average number. A slight increase would be understood, but not to all but double the number.
I think in situations like this, the administration comes (read that as ANY administration) in thinking rather highly of themselves, and goes to excess. Now it is up to the people to see this excess and do something about it.
Several first ladies in recent history have had the wrath of the people come down on them. Nancy Reagan, Hillary Clinton, and now, possibly, it will be Michelle Obama's turn. Not likely since the media would have to raise the issue and they are unlikely to do so for her. MO = the "new" teflon Don?
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#1224979 - 07/30/09 05:19 PM
Re: Things are tough? Need to cut back?
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To all but double the number of staff is definitely excessive. Laura Bush may have required less than average or an average number. A slight increase would be understood, but not to all but double the number.
I think in situations like this, the administration comes (read that as ANY administration) in thinking rather highly of themselves, and goes to excess. Now it is up to the people to see this excess and do something about it.
Several first ladies in recent history have had the wrath of the people come down on them. Nancy Reagan, Hillary Clinton, and now, possibly, it will be Michelle Obama's turn. To be honest, I think that Michelle is a little more visible and active first lady than Laura, which is perhaps another reason she may need more folks to peel her grapes.
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#1225005 - 07/30/09 05:37 PM
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She seems to come and go though Deek. I can understand that as the first AA/FL she most likely does have more demands on her time. Also, Laura did tend to stay in the back seat. But Hillary certainly didn't until she got shot down repeatedly, and Barbara Bush - while not always out on the stump, wasn't a shrinking violet either.
It's a shame that Eleanor Roosevelt was so long ago. She was very active, and it would be interesting to compare staff levels if it was more current. Times have changed just a wee bit since the 40s.
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#1225014 - 07/30/09 05:42 PM
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::smack:: Yo! Watch it there DQ! I'm not THAT old!
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#1225027 - 07/30/09 05:48 PM
Re: Things are tough? Need to cut back?
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It's entirely reasonable, considering the man hours it takes to help someone who only recently became proud to be an American.
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#1225034 - 07/30/09 05:52 PM
Re: Things are tough? Need to cut back?
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Well, doubling the staff for the First Lady is "change" technically speaking... I'm sure the staff is doubled because Ms. Obama is twice the woman Ms. Bush was...
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#1225087 - 07/30/09 06:15 PM
Re: Things are tough? Need to cut back?
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Just a thought, maybe part of the staff increase is "necessary" because the Obamas have two young children in the White House who undoubtedly occupy some of the First Lady's time. Perhaps she is less "hands on" in the business-side of being First Lady so that she has more time for her family?
Not trying to justify what still seems to me to be quite a large staff considering the position, just offering a thought. And yes, I do realize that the First Lady's mother also moved to the White House to help care for the girls, but I would hope that they are still getting a significant amount of their mother's time/attention.
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