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#1230195 - 08/10/09 04:07 PM Dissent Is No Longer Patriotic
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#1230212 - 08/10/09 04:26 PM Re: Dissent Is No Longer Patriotic Blade Scrapper
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I think this quote is interesting, but only partially correct.

"Too many members of the liberal power structure today are so convinced of their own certitude and ethical superiority that they cannot contemplate that sincere opposition to anything they created exists. So they demonize the opposition, and fantasize that big-business bureaucrats are driving these diverse groups of Americans, including seniors and vets, to sharply question pols who would be the last to accept a public health option."

What I see happening is that the Democrats have turned into a giant community organization, another ACORN, if you will. They are now using community organization tactics to get their way, and when their own tactics are used against them, they don't know how to react except in a community group fashion, in other words, demonize the person rather than respond to the opposing position.

P.S. I would be nice if the good folks in California would see to not re-elect Ms. Pelosi and Mr. Waxman, but I don't think that's gonna happen.
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#1230233 - 08/10/09 05:10 PM Re: Dissent Is No Longer Patriotic buggs
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"I am sick and tired of people who call you unpatriotic if you debate this administration’s policies. We are Americans and have the right to participate and debate any administration ." shrieked Hillary Clinton in April 2003.

How's the shoe feel on the other foot?
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#1230260 - 08/10/09 05:41 PM Re: Dissent Is No Longer Patriotic Patriot
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What's wrong with you people!!!! You wanted change and you got it!!! Ready for re-instituting the Fairness Doctrine? We'll outlaw all dissent.
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#1230263 - 08/10/09 05:43 PM Re: Dissent Is No Longer Patriotic The OG Zaibatsu
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What's wrong with you people!!!! You wanted change and you got it!!! Ready for re-instituting the Fairness Doctrine? We'll outlaw all dissent.


Xenophobe racist mobster.
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#1230266 - 08/10/09 05:47 PM Re: Dissent Is No Longer Patriotic Patriot
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Originally Posted By: Patriot
"I am sick and tired of people who call you unpatriotic if you debate this administration’s policies. We are Americans and have the right to participate and debate any administration ." shrieked Hillary Clinton in April 2003.

How's the shoe feel on the other foot?


confused

Should this be 2009? Because I thought Bush was President in April 2003.
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#1230267 - 08/10/09 05:47 PM Re: Dissent Is No Longer Patriotic The OG Zaibatsu
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Funny, dissent was the heart of Patriotism from Nov 2000 through Jan 2009. ::absolutely overwhelmed with shock and surprise smiley::
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#1230268 - 08/10/09 05:50 PM Re: Dissent Is No Longer Patriotic Bacon Boy
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Originally Posted By: BaconBoy
Originally Posted By: Patriot
"I am sick and tired of people who call you unpatriotic if you debate this administration’s policies. We are Americans and have the right to participate and debate any administration ." shrieked Hillary Clinton in April 2003.

How's the shoe feel on the other foot?


confused

Should this be 2009? Because I thought Bush was President in April 2003.


BB, that is the point. When Hillary was criticized for being negative about Bush's policies....
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#1230270 - 08/10/09 05:52 PM Re: Dissent Is No Longer Patriotic MB Guy
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Originally Posted By: I'm ah Superman
Originally Posted By: BaconBoy
Originally Posted By: Patriot
"I am sick and tired of people who call you unpatriotic if you debate this administration’s policies. We are Americans and have the right to participate and debate any administration ." shrieked Hillary Clinton in April 2003.

How's the shoe feel on the other foot?


confused

Should this be 2009? Because I thought Bush was President in April 2003.


BB, that is the point. When Hillary was criticized for being negative about Bush's policies....


Wait, I was reading it wrong. Nevermind my dense moment.

Then I agree there's a significant issue of not reeping what you sow.
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#1230274 - 08/10/09 05:54 PM Re: Dissent Is No Longer Patriotic Bacon Boy
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Pulling people out of the ditc...
Hillary looks like she's eaten what she reaped...just saw a photo in Newsweek...wow, someone call Jenny Craig!
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#1230313 - 08/10/09 06:34 PM Re: Dissent Is No Longer Patriotic HappyGilmore
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Ms. Pelosi was the in the fair state of Texas just last year and the topic of her sermon was "holding your elected officials accountable"....

yea right!............
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#1230314 - 08/10/09 06:36 PM Re: Dissent Is No Longer Patriotic Pale Rider
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do they even know what "accountable" means?

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#1230318 - 08/10/09 06:39 PM Re: Dissent Is No Longer Patriotic Pale Rider
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Originally Posted By: Pale
Ms. Pelosi was the in the state fair in Texas just last year and the topic of her sermon was "holding your elected officials accountable"....

yea right!............


This is how I read your post. I probably should refrain from responding.
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#1230319 - 08/10/09 06:41 PM Re: Dissent Is No Longer Patriotic Bacon Boy
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#1230324 - 08/10/09 06:47 PM Re: Dissent Is No Longer Patriotic Miscuit
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from websters.com

ac-count-a-ble;

–adjective

1. subject to the obligation to report, explain, or justify something; responsible; answerable.

2. capable of being explained; explicable; explainable.

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#1230326 - 08/10/09 06:48 PM Re: Dissent Is No Longer Patriotic A_G
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#1230329 - 08/10/09 06:55 PM Re: Dissent Is No Longer Patriotic Miscuit
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#1230397 - 08/10/09 07:57 PM Re: Dissent Is No Longer Patriotic buggs
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"These disruptions are occurring because opponents are afraid not just of differing views — but of the facts themselves," said Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California and Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland. "Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American. Drowning out the facts is how we failed at this task for decades."

I just read this. It causes me to pause and wonder if Ms. Pelosi has never attended a protest from a community group who is using the CRA to extort concessions from banks trying to merge. laugh

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#1230450 - 08/10/09 08:45 PM Re: Dissent Is No Longer Patriotic buggs
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Originally Posted By: Smug-as-a-Bugs
"These disruptions are occurring because opponents are afraid not just of differing views — but of the facts themselves," said Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California and Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland. "Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American. Drowning out the facts is how we failed at this task for decades."

I just read this. It causes me to pause and wonder if Ms. Pelosi has never attended a protest from a community group who is using the CRA to extort concessions from banks trying to merge. laugh


She has a strange defintion for facts. These are all assertions. The left asserts they can pass reform that will not cost more, cover more people and allow for choice. The right asserts this is not realistic. Neither of these positions are facts. They are opinions.

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#1230453 - 08/10/09 08:51 PM Re: Dissent Is No Longer Patriotic straw
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I seem to remember seeing John Kerry at a protest when he was young. Is he now saying he was wrong?

I seem to remember Clinton admitting to protesting the Vietnam War when he was in Britain? Wrong, again?

Million Man March. Wrong?

March from Selma? Shut up?

Woodstock? Paid Operatives?

Orgies at the Kennedy Compound? Paid prostitutes?
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#1230465 - 08/10/09 09:00 PM Re: Dissent Is No Longer Patriotic The OG Zaibatsu
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Those are different. Those were liberals protesting conservatives silly. And they were organic. No organizing behind them like these shameful displays. smile

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#1230489 - 08/10/09 09:27 PM Re: Dissent Is No Longer Patriotic straw
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Madam Speaker says the protestors are coming to meetings with swastikaaaaaaaaas and symbols like that and infering that we are Nazis....

but it was the Nazis that completed the takeover of private healthcare in the 1930's that the Kaiser started years before..

So who is more like the Nazis? And what does Nazi mean other than a shortening of the Socialist Party of Deutchland?


where is Daffy so he can say "despicable" ?
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#1230577 - 08/11/09 02:52 AM Re: Dissent Is No Longer Patriotic straw
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Originally Posted By: straw
Those are different. Those were liberals protesting conservatives silly. And they were organic. No organizing behind them like these shameful displays. smile


The March from Selma wasn't a liberal protest. I remember pictures of Charlton Heston marching with MLK, Jr.
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#1230578 - 08/11/09 02:55 AM Re: Dissent Is No Longer Patriotic Pale Rider
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Originally Posted By: Pale
Madam Speaker says the protestors are coming to meetings with swastikaaaaaaaaas and symbols like that and infering that we are Nazis....

but it was the Nazis that completed the takeover of private healthcare in the 1930's that the Kaiser started years before..

So who is more like the Nazis? And what does Nazi mean other than a shortening of the Socialist Party of Deutchland?


where is Daffy so he can say "despicable" ?



She is mentally ill. People showed up with Swastikas with circles and lines through them. Their signs might have been a little extreme, like when the left called Bush Hitler, over and over, but they weren't carrying Swastikas. is that the best retort communists can come up with, "but they're Nazis, so we're better."
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#1230596 - 08/11/09 04:36 AM Re: Dissent Is No Longer Patriotic The OG Zaibatsu
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Um, yeah. You Nazi. wink smile

j/k

If nothing else, this issue has gotten a lot of people off their sofas and in to the political machine. We're darned lucky to live in a country where we are allowed to voice our opinions.
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