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#1399069 - 06/03/10 02:38 PM DEBIT CARDS FOR COMMERCIAL/BUSINESS ACCOUNTS
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Our bank currently issues debit cards to our commercial account customers. Our compliance officer insist we give those commercial customers a Reg E disclosure. On our disclosure, it clearly states that the rules and regulations apply to consumer accounts.

Am I missing something? Do we need to give the commercial account customers a Reg E disclosure? Doesn't that make the bank carry the liability for misuse of the cards?

What are other banks doing? Do you issue cards to commercial customers? What disclosures, if any, are you giving out?

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#1399117 - 06/03/10 03:34 PM Re: DEBIT CARDS FOR COMMERCIAL/BUSINESS ACCOUNTS Anonymous
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Anon- question for you- Is it a seperate card product from your consumer product? If not, are you issuing it only to sole proprietors?

We issue Business Visa Check cards, and no, we do not give them a Reg E disclosure. It's not a consumer product. However, we have a business agreement listing the terms and conditions of their card accounts. Parts of it are very similar to Reg E (ex. types of transactions available, Visa Zero liability), but only as it applies to businesses.
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#1399125 - 06/03/10 03:42 PM Re: DEBIT CARDS FOR COMMERCIAL/BUSINESS ACCOUNTS BetsyS
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because you gave them a reg e disclsoure you must comply with reg e for those accounts. You shouuld stop giving them to commercial/business as reg e doesn't cover them.

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#1399169 - 06/03/10 04:11 PM Re: DEBIT CARDS FOR COMMERCIAL/BUSINESS ACCOUNTS Anonymous
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It is the same debit card that is issued to consumers. And, we've been issuing them to any entity that requests it.

I feel we shouldn't give the commercial customer a consumer disclosure. But CO, says sice we issue a "consumer" product to commercial account we must give them the REG E consumer disclosure. Any thoughts on how to dispute this?

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#1399188 - 06/03/10 04:28 PM Re: DEBIT CARDS FOR COMMERCIAL/BUSINESS ACCOUNTS Anonymous
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You may want to check with your card association (Visa or MC). Unless something's change in the last couple of years, BINs are usually consumer or business specific. You may be in violation of some of the association rules if you're issuing to both on the same BIN. That may impact on your response to your CO.
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#1399418 - 06/03/10 08:33 PM Re: DEBIT CARDS FOR COMMERCIAL/BUSINESS ACCOUNTS BetsyS
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What about the zero-liability thing? I understand that zero-liability for VISA coveres their buisness cards, too, but can we contract that away in our account agreement or since the cards bear the VISA logo are we stuck with zero liability?

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#1399439 - 06/03/10 08:50 PM Re: DEBIT CARDS FOR COMMERCIAL/BUSINESS ACCOUNTS Anonymous
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We are going to start issueing Business debit cards. They will be a different BIN from our consumer ones. But you might look at state law. Reg E does not apply to businesses but we have state laws that given businesses some protection like Reg E. We are going to give them a business agreement but not Reg E.

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#1399445 - 06/03/10 08:57 PM Re: DEBIT CARDS FOR COMMERCIAL/BUSINESS ACCOUNTS Anonymous
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
It is the same debit card that is issued to consumers. And, we've been issuing them to any entity that requests it.

I feel we shouldn't give the commercial customer a consumer disclosure. But CO, says sice we issue a "consumer" product to commercial account we must give them the REG E consumer disclosure. Any thoughts on how to dispute this?


Aside from all of the discussion on this topic, I am wondering what you did to comply with Reg. GG for June 1st if they are all being issued the same types of cards?

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#1399484 - 06/03/10 09:53 PM Re: DEBIT CARDS FOR COMMERCIAL/BUSINESS ACCOUNTS Anonymous
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
What about the zero-liability thing? I understand that zero-liability for VISA coveres their buisness cards, too, but can we contract that away in our account agreement or since the cards bear the VISA logo are we stuck with zero liability?


I'm afraid if it's a Visa card, you're probably stuck with the zero liability. I'm not aware of any waivers on the requirement. Your Visa Rep should be able to help.
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#1399493 - 06/03/10 10:11 PM Re: DEBIT CARDS FOR COMMERCIAL/BUSINESS ACCOUNTS Anonymous
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It will all be spelled out in your contract with Visa or MC. You can't put something in your customer agreement that contradicts the bank contract.
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#1400064 - 06/04/10 09:35 PM Re: DEBIT CARDS FOR COMMERCIAL/BUSINESS ACCOUNTS Anonymous
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Reg GG? In what respect? All new commercial account customers are being advised on the new regulation and we are actually hilighting that particular section on the account terms and conditions, and getting all of them to certify that they are not engaging in an Internet Gambling Business within the meaning of Federal Reserve Regulation GG.

If they are engaging in Internet Gambling Business, then the process is much, much more involved. (Management will determine if we will actually open the account or not.)

What are you guys doing?

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#1400067 - 06/04/10 09:38 PM Re: DEBIT CARDS FOR COMMERCIAL/BUSINESS ACCOUNTS BetsyS
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I'm sorry, I'm just not getting the "different BIN#". Can you explain the how and whys of the consumer and commercial BINs?

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#1400098 - 06/04/10 10:38 PM Re: DEBIT CARDS FOR COMMERCIAL/BUSINESS ACCOUNTS Anonymous
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How - contact your card processor and ask for a new BIN to be used for Commercial Accounts. You should also have a have a seperate user agreement that does not contain the Reg E disclosure.

Why - VISA/MC charge higher interchange fees on business cards so you are costing yourself $$$ by not using them.
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#1400214 - 06/07/10 03:01 PM Re: DEBIT CARDS FOR COMMERCIAL/BUSINESS ACCOUNTS BrianC
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Not to mention that MC and Visa require the separate BIN (and, of course, that means you have to pay for it).
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#1400628 - 06/08/10 03:47 PM Re: DEBIT CARDS FOR COMMERCIAL/BUSINESS ACCOUNTS Anonymous
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Reg GG? In what respect? All new commercial account customers are being advised on the new regulation and we are actually hilighting that particular section on the account terms and conditions, and getting all of them to certify that they are not engaging in an Internet Gambling Business within the meaning of Federal Reserve Regulation GG.

If they are engaging in Internet Gambling Business, then the process is much, much more involved. (Management will determine if we will actually open the account or not.)

What are you guys doing?



In the aspect that you should be (or your card provider) should be blocking those types of transactions. Our card provider/servicer wanted us to turn that on for the consumer and the business banking BINs. We opted to just do the business BINs because we do have consumers that conduct LEGAL online gambling transactions and by turning it on, it would have blocked even the legal transactions.

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