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#1476350 - 12/06/10 03:40 PM
Re: More College Football
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I would be terribly surprised if the Big 12 brought in any teams from the Big East.
Pale, did you know that OU and OSU were founding members of the old SWC? I mean you were probably a young adult at the time so I figure you may have been there. The SWC was not a good conferance. 7 national titles in 70 years, the last one in 1970. OU has more titles than that conferance. Also, the SWC was the site of the only death penalty in college football. Truth be told the Big 8 needed the tv's that Texas had to offer, and Texas needed some competition to help them draw a national stage. It has been mutually beneficial.
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#1476365 - 12/06/10 03:55 PM
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Ooh, speaking of the death penalty, didn't SMU play in a conference or some kind of championship game this weekend?
So, the Mustangs are rising? The school will be a good draw again once the Bush Museum and Library is built.....
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#1476390 - 12/06/10 04:20 PM
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they did play for the conferance championship but lost to central florida. june jones is their savior.
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#1476428 - 12/06/10 04:49 PM
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Because there are only so many choices out there. I could say the Big 12 should go after USC and Florida, but that isn't realistic. You may not like the reality, but the Big 12 would be a major step up for a school like Louisville, at least in football, and football drives the bus.
And i wasn't trying to insult the Big East.....i just don't put them in the same category as the SEC, Big 12, Big 10, and Pac 10. I know the reality, and no insult taken. The Big East is obviously having a down year and doesn't have the traditional powers that the other conferences have(even though West Virginia spanked one of those traditional pOUwers in a BCS bowl a few years back). It's just funny how everyone dumps on the league, but then talks about how they'd like to add Big East teams. The Big 10 was talking about Rutgers and Pitt, the SEC was talking WVU, the ACC Syracuse, etc, etc...
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#1476437 - 12/06/10 05:00 PM
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DS, i really think somehow it's the league that is the problem, not individual teams. I have said numerous times that i think Louisville is a sleeping giant in football and i respect West Virginia and Cincinnati as programs. The reality is that schools pretty much only move "up" when it comes to changing conferences though--i guess Nebraska would be the exception with what is a lateral move. That's why the better teams from the Big East are coveted for expansion.
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#1476564 - 12/06/10 08:29 PM
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<--- not a Michigan State fan, but I think they got screwed. You beat Wisconsin, who beat Ohio State, but they end up being ranked higher than you (all three with 11-1 records) and Wisconsin goes to the Rose Bowl?! State beat them down! I know that BCS rankings determine the final outcome, but I don't see how team A can beat team B and someone can claim that team B is better than team A... Michigan State beats Wisconsin = Michigan state is better than Wisconsin Wisconsin beats Ohio State = Wisconsin is better than Ohio State. Basic math taught in elementary school teaches us that if A is greater than B, and B is greater than C, then A is also greater than C. LOL It's funny. I hate the Spartans, but I don't see how you say Wisconsin is the better team.
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#1476574 - 12/06/10 08:37 PM
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And I thougth Wisconsin got screwed when, after they score 14,987 against a conference opponent, Stanford, having not played anyone other than Oregon, goes past them in the BCS.
Wisconsin lost to a very good opponent, Michigan State Ohio State lost to a very good opponent, Wisconsin Michigan State lost to Iowa, a team that showed that it was just below the top tier of the conference.
Quality of loss puts OSU and Wisconsin ahead of MSU. Again, I have respect for the Big Ten and see them as a rising conference in the national race in the next few years.
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#1476575 - 12/06/10 08:37 PM
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quit your whining and enjoy the Toilet Bowl or wherever MI State is headed
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#1476583 - 12/06/10 08:40 PM
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Speaking of not being bowl eligible at all, Hook 'em Horns!! What a happy day this is. I had my wisdom teeth pulled in October and was reading a Sports Illustrated issue from the preseason. It picked Texas in the top 5 in the country and talked how they will dominate the Big XII. I laughed. I'm lauging more now that it is over.
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#1476591 - 12/06/10 08:43 PM
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I don't follow Michigan State, so I don't care. I understand the "quality of loss" argument, but that's garbage reasoning (to me). When MSU played Wisconsin, head to head, they beat them. They're the better team. I don't know how anyone can claim otherwise and say Wisconsin is better. That's like saying "Usain Bolt won the gold, he was faster than everyone, but he's going to get the bronze medal because a few weeks ago he lost to a runner who finished 5th in this race". I will be watching Michigan play Mississippi State on January 1st in the Gator Bowl! Michigan State is playing Alabama, two teams I dislike. But I'll be rooting for State, since I want the Big 10 to do well. (and I'm still hoping that Rich Rod gets fired very, very soon...)
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#1476594 - 12/06/10 08:43 PM
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fraudpup is right, Iowa not being a top 25 team hurt Michigan St because they had the bad loss. Also add that the voters saw them fall behind to both Purdue and Penn ST at the end of the season and they lost spots. Meanwhile wisconsin and Ohio st were hanging huge wins on people. I know margin of victory isn't in the computers anymore but it will always lie in the eyes of the voter. But unlike him I think rounding out to 12 is the death of the conferance, sure they will get a championship game but i think it will be hard for them to get a one loss team from now on much less a no loss team.
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#1476601 - 12/06/10 08:46 PM
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But unlike him I think rounding out to 12 is the death of the conferance, sure they will get a championship game but i think it will be hard for them to get a one loss team from now on much less a no loss team. The same was said when the SEC went to 12
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#1476603 - 12/06/10 08:47 PM
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I don't follow Michigan State, so I don't care. but you keep writing about them so I think deep down, you care now enjoy the crappy bowl game they're going to!
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#1476607 - 12/06/10 08:50 PM
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But unlike him I think rounding out to 12 is the death of the conferance, sure they will get a championship game but i think it will be hard for them to get a one loss team from now on much less a no loss team. The same was said when the SEC went to 12 Bobby....remind me...who were the latest additions to the SEC? I know South Carolina was one....was Florida another? I know Arkansas was the last....so were those the 3?
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#1476609 - 12/06/10 08:51 PM
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But unlike him I think rounding out to 12 is the death of the conferance, sure they will get a championship game but i think it will be hard for them to get a one loss team from now on much less a no loss team. The same was said when the SEC went to 12 Bobby....remind me...who were the latest additions to the SEC? I know South Carolina was one....was Florida another? SC and Arky in 1992
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#1476621 - 12/06/10 08:58 PM
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Oh...i thought Arkansas came in by themselves sometime in the late 90s.
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#1476623 - 12/06/10 08:59 PM
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Bobby....remind me...who were the latest additions to the SEC? I know South Carolina was one....was Florida another? I know Arkansas was the last....so were those the 3? I guess Florida could be considered an honorary late addition. They've technically been in the SEC all along but, to most Gator fans, college football did not exist before the Ol' Ball Coach came back home...
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#1476629 - 12/06/10 09:04 PM
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So the SEC for eons and eons was 10 schools? I knew in my mind that LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Miss. State, Tennessee, Kentucky, Vanderbilt and Georgia had always been in there, but wasn't sure if maybe Florida once upon a time was maybe an independent or something.
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#1476632 - 12/06/10 09:06 PM
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Aggs:
You should also be outraged that Texas A&M beat both Nebraska and Oklahoma and look where we go?
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#1476636 - 12/06/10 09:10 PM
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But Pale....OU beat OSU which Texas A&M couldn't do; within the South a 3 way tie is just that and you can play the dog chasing its tail all day long. And A&M's win over Nebraska is irrelevant...they're in the North, A&M is in the South, and OU didn't get the chance to play Nebraska in the regular season. You seriously think an A&M team with 3 losses was more deserving than an OU team with 2 losses?
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#1476638 - 12/06/10 09:13 PM
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But Pale....OU beat OSU which Texas A&M couldn't do; within the South a 3 way tie is just that and you can play the dog chasing its tail all day long. And A&M's win over Nebraska is irrelevant...they're in the North, A&M is in the South, and OU didn't get the chance to play Nebraska in the regular season. You seriously think an A&M team with 3 losses was more deserving than an OU team with 2 losses? According the the Aggs School of Math, no question.... (really, I am only joking....but I do like the Cotton Bowl matup better than the matchup either Nebraska or OU got to be honest)
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