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#1496472 - 01/18/11 06:45 PM Re: MDIA 1/30/11 Amos
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Anyone using ARTA, do you know if we will have an update before Jan 30th?

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#1496518 - 01/18/11 07:27 PM Re: MDIA 1/30/11 Live 2 Comply
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I talked to Wolters Kluwer this morning. According to the person I spoke with the 2010.5 release is scheduled to be sent on the 21st.
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#1496548 - 01/18/11 07:55 PM Re: MDIA 1/30/11 RR Joker
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RR Joker - By any chance did you resolve your question? I have the same issue--thinking we would not use the first column as we don't have "introductory" or teaser rates. If the first column is not used, then would you show the fixed rate-there would be nothing for MAXIMUM EVER--and just put NA for principal payment and show the interest only payment and a Final Balloon?

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#1496589 - 01/18/11 08:24 PM Re: MDIA 1/30/11 Jan94
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From what I heard from my ARTA rep, the release was scheduled to be sent out the third week in Januar. I'd like to get it and install so we can test forms before January 30th. I hate waiting to test until the last minute.

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#1496592 - 01/18/11 08:26 PM Re: MDIA 1/30/11 Jan94
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Originally Posted By: Jan94
RR Joker - By any chance did you resolve your question? I have the same issue--thinking we would not use the first column as we don't have "introductory" or teaser rates. If the first column is not used, then would you show the fixed rate-there would be nothing for MAXIMUM EVER--and just put NA for principal payment and show the interest only payment and a Final Balloon?


I re-read the rules over the weekend and even for a fixed-rate plain ole amort loan, your intro column is the one you use. Looks/seems odd, but that's what they state.

Also, the term Maximum Ever was an error that has now been changed to First Increase (I think). However, either form will be granted safe harbor.
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#1496600 - 01/18/11 08:28 PM Re: MDIA 1/30/11 RR Joker
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The updates ya'll are referring to (ARTA and WK)...is that for the first interim rule, or the interim interim rule.

Our platform appears that on the appdx D changes, for now, we will not be quoting a payment...so I'm not looking for that change until sometime before that 10-11 deadline.
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#1496650 - 01/18/11 08:58 PM Re: MDIA 1/30/11 RR Joker
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Afraid you were going to say that!! For a fixed rate what would you put in interest rate for MAXIMUM EVER? Would you just show the max rate under the contract (i.e. 18%)? If we don't have a 3/1 ARM as an example, there wouldn't be a First Increase or Adjustment. Also how would you show a single pay? We could show the rate but there wouldn't be payments so the full amount just goes in Final Balloon Payment? This is just for fixed; still fuzzy about variable rate loans. confused

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#1496662 - 01/18/11 09:15 PM Re: MDIA 1/30/11 RR Joker
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Originally Posted By: RR joker
Also, the term Maximum Ever was an error that has now been changed to First Increase (I think). However, either form will be granted safe harbor.


That is true. They recognized that "maximum ever" would only apply to adjustable rates, so they included in the interim interim that "first increase" suffices for fixed rate transactions with a payment increase.
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#1496690 - 01/18/11 09:48 PM Re: MDIA 1/30/11 Jan94
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Originally Posted By: Jan94
Afraid you were going to say that!! For a fixed rate what would you put in interest rate for MAXIMUM EVER? Nothing, NA, blacked out, marked out - pick one Would you just show the max rate under the contract (i.e. 18%) We were talking fixed-rate, weren't we? ? If we don't have a 3/1 ARM as an example, there wouldn't be a First Increase or Adjustment. Also how would you show a single pay? We could show the rate but there wouldn't be payments so the full amount just goes in Final Balloon Payment? yes, unless you require interest payments This is just for fixed; still fuzzy about variable rate loans. confused



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#1496715 - 01/18/11 10:23 PM Re: MDIA 1/30/11 RR Joker
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Yes was talking about fixed-rate and then somehow mixed in variable rates--I did say I was confused didn't I? Called a resource I thought could help and basically got "do the best you can"...... Thank you for your help!

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#1496802 - 01/19/11 01:58 PM Re: MDIA 1/30/11 Jan94
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For fixed-rate balloon loans that we offer, there is no intro rate and no max ever (or first increase). The column headings doesn't fit the product.
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#1496807 - 01/19/11 02:07 PM Re: MDIA 1/30/11 ahou
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No, it doesn't, but the instructions/regulation will tell you to use the introductory column for fixed-rate loans. Weird and confusing? yes.
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#1496857 - 01/19/11 02:51 PM Re: MDIA 1/30/11 ahou
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Originally Posted By: ahou
For fixed-rate balloon loans that we offer, there is no intro rate and no max ever (or first increase). The column headings doesn't fit the product.


Why wouldn't you be using model H-4(E), with only one column for "Rate & Monthly Payment"?

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#1496860 - 01/19/11 02:54 PM Re: MDIA 1/30/11 RR Joker
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In regard to the December 22, 2010 Interim Rule published by the Fed - I went to the Federal Register site, and I can't see where it has been published in the FR yet. I went to the ABA site, they also do not have it in there "Regulatory Proposals" calendar. I went to the FRB website - looked under proposals for Regulation Z - it isn't there either. I guess I am looking for validation that this is in fact what we should try to follow for 5/1 ARMs and interest-only loans. I understand the 12/22 rule isn't mandatory until 10/01/2011, but in some ways it would be easier to do now.
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#1496862 - 01/19/11 02:56 PM Re: MDIA 1/30/11 ImGoinNuts
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There is nothing to prevent you from using it now...it's nothing but clarification/modification of errors in the first publication. Some things will require program changes from the vendor...this is why the allowance of time is given.
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#1496866 - 01/19/11 03:01 PM Re: MDIA 1/30/11 Sheldon Hendrix
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Originally Posted By: Compliance Rules
Originally Posted By: ahou
For fixed-rate balloon loans that we offer, there is no intro rate and no max ever (or first increase). The column headings doesn't fit the product.


Why wouldn't you be using model H-4(E), with only one column for "Rate & Monthly Payment"?


True, I mis-stated that above and couldn't go back and edit it later. My mind really wasn't on plain ole fixed rate amort loans, but that's what I said! Sorry. I was thinking and working on interest only balloon loans and construction loans, but with no rate increases...I apologize for that incorrect statement above!
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#1496867 - 01/19/11 03:02 PM Re: MDIA 1/30/11 ImGoinNuts
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Originally Posted By: Alwayscompliant
In regard to the December 22, 2010 Interim Rule published by the Fed - I went to the Federal Register site, and I can't see where it has been published in the FR yet. I went to the ABA site, they also do not have it in there "Regulatory Proposals" calendar. I went to the FRB website - looked under proposals for Regulation Z - it isn't there either. I guess I am looking for validation that this is in fact what we should try to follow for 5/1 ARMs and interest-only loans. I understand the 12/22 rule isn't mandatory until 10/01/2011, but in some ways it would be easier to do now.


It is in the December 29, 2010, Federal Register starting on page 81836.

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#1496891 - 01/19/11 03:20 PM Re: MDIA 1/30/11 Baker
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Hi, We did a seminar on this topic last week and the presenter stated that, under the escrow payments section, the mortgage insurance premium disclosed in each column should reflect: "..The estimated amounts of mortgage insurance premiums should be based on the declining principal balance that will occur as a result of changes to the interest rate that are assumed for purposes of disclosing those rates under 226.18(s)(2) and accompanying commentary..." We have always used constant balance mortgage insurance premium, so this would be a big change for us. Is everyone else reading the Reg. the same way and using declining balance mortgage insuranc?

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#1496895 - 01/19/11 03:25 PM Re: MDIA 1/30/11 maggiev
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Originally Posted By: maggiev
Hi, We did a seminar on this topic last week and the presenter stated that, under the escrow payments section, the mortgage insurance premium disclosed in each column should reflect: "..The estimated amounts of mortgage insurance premiums should be based on the declining principal balance that will occur as a result of changes to the interest rate that are assumed for purposes of disclosing those rates under 226.18(s)(2) and accompanying commentary..." We have always used constant balance mortgage insurance premium, so this would be a big change for us. Is everyone else reading the Reg. the same way and using declining balance mortgage insuranc?


What is a constant balance mortgage premium?

I thought the balance had to decline for auto-canellation purposes under HOPA???

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#1496900 - 01/19/11 03:27 PM Re: MDIA 1/30/11 RR Joker
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Originally Posted By: RR joker
Originally Posted By: Compliance Rules
Originally Posted By: ahou
For fixed-rate balloon loans that we offer, there is no intro rate and no max ever (or first increase). The column headings doesn't fit the product.


Why wouldn't you be using model H-4(E), with only one column for "Rate & Monthly Payment"?


True, I mis-stated that above and couldn't go back and edit it later. My mind really wasn't on plain ole fixed rate amort loans, but that's what I said! Sorry. I was thinking and working on interest only balloon loans and construction loans, but with no rate increases...I apologize for that incorrect statement above!


In wading through these rules, it gets hard to remember that plain ole' mortgages still exist. wink

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#1496926 - 01/19/11 03:47 PM Re: MDIA 1/30/11 Sheldon Hendrix
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VERY true! LOL! I think I've "dismissed" those because they were straight forward...unlike anything else! wink

I can't believe some of the strange set-ups of loans exist as are described in the regulation...holy moly!
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#1497052 - 01/19/11 05:38 PM Re: MDIA 1/30/11 Sheldon Hendrix
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I'm talking about mortgage insurance premiums. There is a set factor for calculating the monthly premium amount, and it can be based on the original loan balance (constant) or the current monthly loan balance (declining). Is that what you were thinking?

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#1497060 - 01/19/11 05:47 PM Re: MDIA 1/30/11 maggiev
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Originally Posted By: maggiev
I'm talking about mortgage insurance premiums. There is a set factor for calculating the monthly premium amount, and it can be based on the original loan balance (constant) or the current monthly loan balance (declining). Is that what you were thinking?


I see what you're saying now. I don't think that will be a factor. If you are dealing with PMI, you simply include the monthly escrow premium in the escrow row for each column where PMI would be included. If you have enough columns in your transaction that will go beyond the 78% LTV mark (based on your amortization schedule), then those columns will not include PMI.

At least, that's my interpretation of how the rule works.

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#1497219 - 01/19/11 08:31 PM Re: MDIA 1/30/11 Sheldon Hendrix
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If we have an into rate that is a premium rate 4.25 and at first adjustment the index + margin will be lower (4.15) but the floor is 4.75, how do we disclose? The into rate is 4.25 with a 1st adj of 4.75 because of the floor. Do we disclose this like a discounted loan?
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#1497403 - 01/20/11 01:51 PM Re: MDIA 1/30/11 rockchalk02
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If we have a consumer purpose loan that is secured by bare land--theorectically this wouldn't need a rate cap since there isn't a dwelling right? If so, how would you disclose the maximum in 5 years and maximum ever if no rate cap? Not sure if we do this--just trying to think through all scenarios. Thanks!


Any thoughts? I am still struggling with this scenario.

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