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#152448 - 01/22/04 04:19 PM CTR filings
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I have an FDIC examiner here who is not familiar with BSA/CTR requirements and thinks we are in non-compliance for not aggregating the total of payroll checks cashed by different payees and filing CTRs. I showed her 103.22 (c)(2)on aggregating transactions that they must be on behalf of the same person but she doesn't think that is what it means. HELP!! Where can I direct here

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#152449 - 01/22/04 04:23 PM Re: CTR filings
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Tell her to go here and read Q&A 13A:

FINCEN Q&A
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#152450 - 01/22/04 04:29 PM Re: CTR filings
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Thanks for the information. I am printing it right now to take to her.

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#152451 - 01/22/04 04:33 PM Re: CTR filings
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I think the more pressing question is why an examiner is not familiar with BSA/CTR requirements. Is this a federal examiner?

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#152452 - 01/22/04 04:40 PM Re: CTR filings
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Is this a federal examiner?




Is their a state FDIC that I don't know about...or would that be SDIC?? Just kidding.

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#152453 - 01/22/04 04:41 PM Re: CTR filings
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I think the more pressing question is why an examiner is not familiar with BSA/CTR requirements. Is this a federal examiner?




Inside joke here.....Is her name Kelly?
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#152454 - 01/22/04 04:42 PM Re: CTR filings
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Oops, you're right! My goof! I forgot anon stated it was an FDIC examiner. That's scary!

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#152455 - 01/22/04 04:47 PM Re: CTR filings
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I just couldn't resist.

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#152456 - 01/22/04 04:47 PM Re: CTR filings
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Where can I direct her




How about to the nearest exit?

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#152457 - 01/22/04 04:47 PM Re: CTR filings
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Anon, trust me when I say that this will not be the last time you will get to "educate the examiners".
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#152458 - 01/22/04 04:48 PM Re: CTR filings
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Where can I direct her




How about to the nearest exit?



Anon, LMAO!

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#152459 - 01/22/04 05:37 PM Re: CTR filings
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this will not be the last time you will get to "educate the examiners".


Never never forget that examiners make mistakes that must be challenged. If an examiner gets away with a mistake, that guarantees that more bankers will be improperly tarred with the same brush before someone provides the necessary training. Do not hesitate to challenge questionable "findings" and demand supporting documentation. Never change anything until you have studied the reg & any OSC.
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#152460 - 01/22/04 06:00 PM Re: CTR filings
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Anon, LMAO!




Maria,

I confess my ignorance. What's an LMAO? I don't know whether to feel praised or insulted.

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#152461 - 01/22/04 06:21 PM Re: CTR filings
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Never never forget that examiners make mistakes. . .


There is a decent turnover in field examiners, and most are in a perpetual training.

During our examinations (at a large multistate bank) we had an internal policy of setting a timer and visiting the examiners every hour. This allowed an explanation, a free exchange of topics, and prevented unnecessary questions from being written down and raised later during the exit.
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#152462 - 01/22/04 06:48 PM Re: CTR filings
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Anon, LMAO!




Maria,

I confess my ignorance. What's an LMAO? I don't know whether to feel praised or insulted.



LMAO=Laugh my a$$ off so I was telling you that your comment was funny.

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#152463 - 01/22/04 07:05 PM Re: CTR filings
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As a former examiner I can tell you that the knife cuts both ways...there were many times I had to "educate the banker"...give the girl a break...she's probably brand new like you once were.

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#152464 - 01/22/04 07:10 PM Re: CTR filings
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My sympathies! I have had the same misfortune. Mine was amazed at the number of 'foreign' customers we have, and made a little issue of it. We are on the beach in South Florida !! Half of Europe and South America are here during the season - not to mention all of Canada!
They own condos, so maintain a banking relationship here, The scary part was that the examiner was from South Florida!

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#152465 - 01/22/04 07:10 PM Re: CTR filings
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give the girl a break...she's probably brand new like you once were.




Anon is right. If we all knew everything and we all agreed on the everything, we would not be posting on this site would we? Besides, the question of reporting payroll checks has confused a lot of people over the years. I say we let her off this time. Agreed?
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#152466 - 01/22/04 07:14 PM Re: CTR filings
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I as an internal auditor, and I think more importantly as a federal examiner...before accusing someone of being non-compliant you better know what you are talking about. I think the original poster was correct in "questioning" the finding. And what the examiner was citing is a pretty easy concept. It's not like the examiner is hearing everything we are saying right now. I am sure the original poster approached the examiner in a very professional manner.

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#152467 - 01/22/04 07:36 PM Re: CTR filings
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And what the examiner was citing is a pretty easy concept



That may be true, but I think if you do a search on this site, you will find more than a few people who have posted questions on the same type of payroll check situation. Nobody criticized them for not knowing how to handle that particular type of situation.
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#152468 - 01/22/04 07:43 PM Re: CTR filings
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I think you are taking offense at something you shouldn't be. As I said before it's not like the examiner is hearing what we are saying.

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#152469 - 01/22/04 07:47 PM Re: CTR filings
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Not at all. All I'm saying is that the examiner made a mistake. Let's give her a break. We all make mistakes and we learn from our mistakes. I bet she won't make that same mistake again. What do you think?
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#152470 - 01/22/04 07:48 PM Re: CTR filings
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. . .before accusing someone of being non-compliant. . .




We don't really know what form the "accusation" took, do we? She could have just said, "now, why are you not aggregating the payroll checks. . .oh, are you sure?"

As an internal auditor I've been corrected many times, and corrected others many times. I try to not be wrong (there's no money in it ), but it's going to happen, especially when you work in a field as broad as banking.

I vote we cut her some slack.

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#152471 - 01/22/04 07:49 PM Re: CTR filings
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I think we were all just having a good time. Probably all happy that the examiners aren't at our bank

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#152472 - 01/22/04 07:52 PM Re: CTR filings
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Retread- It is true that we don't know everything, but we come here to get answers before we start shaking our fingers at others.

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