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#165553 - 03/02/04 03:37 PM
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All over the map.
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It's the art of the bluff. Some people are adept and successful, and some are not. Good catch on your part though. I'm not sure some employees here wouldn't have just given out the info. There are disadvantages to small towns, as well as benefits!
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#165554 - 03/02/04 03:55 PM
Re: Postal Inspector
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Joined: May 2002
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Near the Land of Enchantment
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It seems they'll try anything to get the info without jumping through the hoops! I usually tell callers like that that we really want to help them with their investigation - but unless we have the proper documentation (subpoena) they can't use the information, and we both get in trouble.
Sometimes I even do a cursory check and tell them if it's worth their time to get a subpoena.
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#165555 - 03/02/04 03:56 PM
Re: Postal Inspector
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Anonymous
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Absent a judicial subpoena, a search warrant, or an administrative summons signed and issued from the court, you do not release anything. Particularly in the post-GLBAct and post-CIP environment, the federal agencies all know this and a legitimate requestor will not intimidate nor jeopardize the reputational risk of your institution nor their agency. In a legitimate request related to a legitimate investigation, a subpoena can and does become readily and easily obtained. Without a subpoena, how can you be sure you didn't just provide someone information about an estranged spouse? Pretext calling is pretext calling, regardless of the caller. I'd await the official authorization next time.
Another trick that attorneys will do from time to time is submit a written cover-letter request to your bank, along with a copy of the administrative summons that they are submitting to the court. The courts almost always deny ordering the release of any information (such as in dovorces), but by that time the unknowing banker has already released information, thinking the unsigned summons was issued by the court.
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#165556 - 03/02/04 04:12 PM
Re: Postal Inspector
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Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 1,722
Oklahoma
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I'd await the official authorization next time.
I did not provide them any information. Actually this was my written response:
To comply with 12USC-CH35 – Right To Financial Privacy -§3402 Access to financial records by Government authorities prohibited; exceptions:
Except as provided by section 3404© or (d), 3413, or 3414 of this title, no Government authority may have access to or obtain copies of, or the information contained in the financial records of any customer from a financial institution unless the financial records are reasonably described and –
(1) such customer has authorized such disclosure in accordance with section 3404 of this title. (Customer Authorization).
(2) Such financial records are disclosed in response to an administrative subpoena or summons which meets the requirements of section 3405 or this title. (Administrative Subpoena or Summons).
(3) Such financial records are disclosed in response to a search warrant which meets the requirements of section 3406 of this title. (Search Warrants).
(4) Such financial records are disclosed in response to judicial subpoena which meets the requirements of section 3407 of this title. (Judicial Subpoena).
(5) Such financial records are disclosed in response to a formal written request which meets the requirements of section 3408 of this title. (Formal written request).
"Our Bank name" requires that the appropriate request, from one of the above, be sent Attention: XXXXXXX, VP to further your investigation. We appreciate your cooperation with this effort and upon the receipt of an executed authorization we will respond accordingly.
Last edited by MackenzieS; 03/02/04 04:21 PM.
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#165557 - 03/02/04 04:20 PM
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Power Poster
Joined: Oct 2003
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For what it's worth, Postal Inspectors have access to SARs. That's no excuse for the blind phone call, but if they have a SAR in hand, they are entitled to the supporting documentation without a subpoena.
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#165559 - 03/02/04 07:55 PM
Re: Postal Inspector
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Joined: Oct 2003
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I'm not even sure what a postal inspector does.
Postal Inspectors investigate a variety of crimes. Most of them work simple mail fraud and mail theft cases, but they also work credit card fraud, money laundering, check fraud, etc., independently and as part of task forces. If the perpetrator used the US mails in any way, shape or form in the commission of the crime, the US Postal Inspection Service is probably involved in the investigation. Actually, the majority of them are very good at what they do.
By the way, you do not have to file a SAR with the intent of involving the US Postal Inspection Service. They look at the database like the other law enforcement agencies, and if they see some information on a case they are working, they may take the SAR and request the supporting documentation for their case.
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#165561 - 03/02/04 09:11 PM
Re: Postal Inspector
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Anonymous
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MackenzieS's handling of this was correct. While nobody is casting aspersions at postal inspectors, the bottom line is that the request does not meet the RTFPA exceptions test. Written certification is required to comply with the applicable provisions of RTFPA.
MackenzieS stated there was no customer authorization involved, nor was the request related to activities excepted under the Tax Reform Act.
An inquiry from a federal law enforcement agency to gain customer financial information must have certification, in writing, and the bank must have a formalized process to record any bank disclosure of customer financial information made in response to authorized government requests.
The postal inspector in this case did not cite an investigation related to a SAR. Moreover, given that there are thousands of SARs that are submitted to Detroit that get virtually no attention -- and given that in most jurisdictions, the prosecutorial threshold for accepting actual criminal referrals for prosecution in cases where there are known suspect(s) is now in excess of $100,000 -- I cannot imagine that a postal inspector would have the time to surf submitted SARs, would call a bank out of the blue without explaining the purpose and first seek proper authorization. Nevertheless, MackenzieS handled this the was that it should be handled.
The only calls I've ever received for customer financial information were from authorized federal agents asking where in the bank and to whom the subpoena should be directed. One deputy U.S. marshal inquired as to who in the bank should receive a court subpoena, but nobody's ever tried to obtain information "under the table".
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#165562 - 03/03/04 01:20 AM
Re: Postal Inspector
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Anonymous
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Moreover, given that there are thousands of SARs that are submitted to Detroit that get virtually no attention -- and given that in most jurisdictions, the prosecutorial threshold for accepting actual criminal referrals for prosecution in cases where there are known suspect(s) is now in excess of $100,000 -- I cannot imagine that a postal inspector would have the time to surf submitted SARs,
Everybody does not live in a major metropolitan area, so believe it or not, postal inspectors and other federal agents do surf the FinCEN for any possible links between any case they are working and any newly filed SARS. That's how the postal inspectors and other federal law enforcement agents build big cases out of seemingly insignificant SARs.
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#165563 - 03/03/04 02:52 AM
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Anonymous
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Everybody does not live in a major metropolitan area, so believe it or not, postal inspectors and other federal agents do surf the FinCEN for any possible links between any case they are working and any newly filed SARS. That's how the postal inspectors and other federal law enforcement agents build big cases out of seemingly insignificant SARs.
This is your opinion. Geography, bank location, or the location of a law enforcement agency's duty station have nothing to do with FinCEN. FinCEN has its own staff as well as assigned interagency people who ferret out issues and bring patterns and red-flag issues to the attention of law enforcement agencies -- primarily the FBI and/or Secret Service. However, the fact remains that for those bank security officers with the empirical data and the experience of having submitted hundreds of SARs accompanied with criminal referral narratives, the facts are the facts: The perception amongst security officers in all size institutions is that the Detroit Computing Center has become a black hole. That's not a criticism; it's just noting that the SAR gets filed, and the only time you hear something is if there is a mistake in the submission formatting.
The rates of acceptance by prosecutors, even for SARs filed with impeccable narrative criminal referrals, accompanied by cogent evidence and well-done investigations, is also abysmal. Again, this is not a criticism; it is universally understood amongst security officers, discussed at conferences, and it is understood that this a matter of resources.
There was no criticism of postal inspectors or any others. It is simply a reply to your earlier post in which you state postal inspectors are surfing FinCEN. I'm saying it doesn't happen. They aren't going to be targeting AML/BSA or FinCEN-related issues anyway; the Secret Service and FBI would get referrals from the interagency staff involved with FinCEN.
MackenzieS's question dealt with whether a postal inspector seeking customer financial information -- that is, a postal inspector who otherwise did not cite a tax case, a BSA/AML issue, or that he/she was responding to a SAR -- should be required to adhere to the RTFPA certification provisions. The answer is yes. The postal inspector would first have to present certification, in writing, to obtain specifically identified customer financial information. RTFPA also requires the maintaining a record of whatever is released. MackenzieS indicated nothing had been released, and the postal inspector was advised to obtain authorization. This was the correct action.
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