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#1660347 - 02/03/12 03:54 PM Re: Gleek Check B_F
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Brad Pitt - Wrong Answer - Brad was reported as being nude in his trailer with 23 year old Bella Heathcote just last year.

Angelina Jolie - Wrong Answer - Was reported to have slept with her mother's boyfriend in 2009. Was reported to have had an affair with a married man in June 2010. Nearly caused a riot in 2011 visiting the Libyan border. In 2003, was involved in a legal battle over adopting a child that was not an orphan but in fact was purchased from a woman who needed money badly (Maddox).

Bono - Wrong Answer - In 2010, his ONE charity was accused of mismanaging funds by raising $15,000,000 in public donations but only distributing $200,000 while spending $8,000,000 on salaries. Also, let's not forget Mr. Perfect's photos with 19 year olds in a hot tub.

The Pope (the current one) - HAH! Give it time. I wouldn't call him famous yet. He has pretty much hidden from view, and yet there have been comments about him being personally involved in the cover-up of the whole priests raping boys epidemic in April of 2010.

George Clooney - Really? July 2010 Cocaine and Sex scandal.

Tom Hanks - You may have actually found ONE!

Liam Neeson - Just a few months ago, was caught peeing himself in public.

Clint Eastwood - Accused of beating his wife, a string of affairs, forced abortions, etc. See "A Man with No Shame"

Christiano Ronaldo - Morracan teenager? Reported just last year? July 2010 baby out of wedlock? Transvestites 2008?

Landon Donovan - Not even close to the fame of MJ, yet still has an issue with a love child debacle.

Drew Brees - Clean, except for that one time people briefly questioned whether his mom was a suicide.

Eli Manning - He isn't nearly the public figure that MJ was either, maybe in a few years... BUT, he did make a fool of himself forcing the trade to the Giants.

LeBron James - Seriously? Really? Are you mocking me now? What about the fact that he couldn't go to college to play ball because he had been PAID in high school? HUMVEE?

Mitt Romney - Low Taxes? Employing illegal immigrants? Admitted to strapping his dog to the roof of his car in '83?


What do any of these have to do with molesting children?
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#1660348 - 02/03/12 04:09 PM Re: Gleek Check Hrothgar Geiger
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You beat me to it Ed! Personal drug/sex scandals are a bit different than molesting children.
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#1660350 - 02/03/12 03:58 PM Re: Gleek Check TB 12
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molest;

verb (used with object)
1. to bother, interfere with, or annoy.


How fitting! laugh
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#1660363 - 02/03/12 04:11 PM Re: Gleek Check B_F
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Originally Posted By: B_F
Drew Brees - Clean, except for that one time people briefly questioned whether his mom was a suicide.


This is 'stink' how?

You are really stretching man... Just take your ball and walk through the wet paint you painted yourself into a corner with and go home.
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#1660365 - 02/03/12 04:15 PM Re: Gleek Check Hrothgar Geiger
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Sheesh!! Someone has been cataloging their National Enquirer collection. crazy
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#1660380 - 02/03/12 04:30 PM Re: Gleek Check Hrothgar Geiger
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Pulling people out of the ditc...
BF - well, every single item you list as a "scandal" is between consenting adults, except Bono, and if you continue to research you will find that it was a baseless accusation. Now, why those you listed may be against your personal set of moral valaues, this in no way is close to being accused by a minor child of inappropriate behavior, and, the big clincher is...none of these people paid $15,000,000 to settle the accusation and avoid prosecution.

But, I must say it was a nice attempt on your part...
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#1660382 - 02/03/12 04:31 PM Re: Gleek Check HappyGilmore
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Is suicide a mortal sin?
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#1660384 - 02/03/12 04:32 PM Re: Gleek Check Hrothgar Geiger
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Pulling people out of the ditc...
The Catholic Church says it is...don't know about other religions stance on it.
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#1660387 - 02/03/12 04:37 PM Re: Gleek Check HappyGilmore
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Originally Posted By: HappyGilmore
BF - well, every single item you list as a "scandal" is between consenting adults, except Bono, and if you continue to research you will find that it was a baseless accusation. Now, why those you listed may be against your personal set of moral valaues, this in no way is close to being accused by a minor child of inappropriate behavior, and, the big clincher is...none of these people paid $15,000,000 to settle the accusation and avoid prosecution.

But, I must say it was a nice attempt on your part...


I never said to name people who weren't involved in a scandal about sex with kids. I said that our media attacked famous people and you can't find 10 that don't have a scandal associated with them. Furthermore, You say that he paid $15,000,000 to avoid prosecution. That's not exactly true. Since when does a settlement out of court financially stop CRIMINAL prosecution? Really? I don't think so. Civil and Criminal courts are separate. If there was enough evidence to convict, the settlement would have been used against MJ in court, wouldn't it?

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#1660393 - 02/03/12 04:46 PM Re: Gleek Check Hrothgar Geiger
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If no one will testify how can you bring a criminal case?
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#1660403 - 02/03/12 04:53 PM Re: Gleek Check edAudit
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quid pro quo?

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#1660415 - 02/03/12 05:02 PM Re: Gleek Check B_F
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BF - well, every single item you list as a "scandal" is between consenting adults, except Bono, and if you continue to research you will find that it was a baseless accusation. Now, why those you listed may be against your personal set of moral valaues, this in no way is close to being accused by a minor child of inappropriate behavior, and, the big clincher is...none of these people paid $15,000,000 to settle the accusation and avoid prosecution.

But, I must say it was a nice attempt on your part...


I never said to name people who weren't involved in a scandal about sex with kids. I said that our media attacked famous people and you can't find 10 that don't have a scandal associated with them. Furthermore, You say that he paid $15,000,000 to avoid prosecution. That's not exactly true. Since when does a settlement out of court financially stop CRIMINAL prosecution? Really? I don't think so. Civil and Criminal courts are separate. If there was enough evidence to convict, the settlement would have been used against MJ in court, wouldn't it?


well, the agreement was that they would not testify in lieu of the payment (a). So, if they don't testify, there is no evidence(b). Therefore, he avoided prosecution by agreeing to the settlement(c). (a + b = c)

Again, sex between consenting adults is hardly scandalous behavior, even if the media wants to claim such. It may be inappropriate, but it is hardly a scandal. Unless, of course, you let the media dictate to you what is a scandal. If that is the case...
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#1660421 - 02/03/12 05:06 PM Re: Gleek Check HappyGilmore
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scandal - noun

1. a disgraceful or discreditable action, circumstance, etc.
2. an offense caused by a fault or misdeed.
3. damage to reputation; public disgrace.
4. defamatory talk; malicious gossip.
5. a person whose conduct brings disgrace or offense.
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#1660458 - 02/03/12 05:26 PM Re: Gleek Check HappyGilmore
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BF - well, every single item you list as a "scandal" is between consenting adults, except Bono, and if you continue to research you will find that it was a baseless accusation. Now, why those you listed may be against your personal set of moral valaues, this in no way is close to being accused by a minor child of inappropriate behavior, and, the big clincher is...none of these people paid $15,000,000 to settle the accusation and avoid prosecution.

But, I must say it was a nice attempt on your part...


I never said to name people who weren't involved in a scandal about sex with kids. I said that our media attacked famous people and you can't find 10 that don't have a scandal associated with them. Furthermore, You say that he paid $15,000,000 to avoid prosecution. That's not exactly true. Since when does a settlement out of court financially stop CRIMINAL prosecution? Really? I don't think so. Civil and Criminal courts are separate. If there was enough evidence to convict, the settlement would have been used against MJ in court, wouldn't it?


well, the agreement was that they would not testify in lieu of the payment (a). So, if they don't testify, there is no evidence(b). Therefore, he avoided prosecution by agreeing to the settlement(c). (a + b = c)

Again, sex between consenting adults is hardly scandalous behavior, even if the media wants to claim such. It may be inappropriate, but it is hardly a scandal. Unless, of course, you let the media dictate to you what is a scandal. If that is the case...


Considering our culture looks badly against inappropriate sexual encourters, even between consenting adults, yes, it is certainly scandalous.

In addition, as far as MJ is concerned, a civil agreement to "not testify" will not hold up to being called UNDER OATH to testify. If the prosecution had any actual evidence of misconduct, they could have forced the people told they couldn't testify under the settlement to do exactly that or face perjury charges, right?

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#1660461 - 02/03/12 05:27 PM Re: Gleek Check edAudit
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If no one will testify how can you bring a criminal case?
If it's one person's word against another's, how can you bring a criminal case? There has to be EVIDENCE, not just testimony.

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#1660470 - 02/03/12 05:34 PM Re: Gleek Check B_F
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Originally Posted By: HappyGilmore
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Originally Posted By: HappyGilmore
BF - well, every single item you list as a "scandal" is between consenting adults, except Bono, and if you continue to research you will find that it was a baseless accusation. Now, why those you listed may be against your personal set of moral valaues, this in no way is close to being accused by a minor child of inappropriate behavior, and, the big clincher is...none of these people paid $15,000,000 to settle the accusation and avoid prosecution.

But, I must say it was a nice attempt on your part...


I never said to name people who weren't involved in a scandal about sex with kids. I said that our media attacked famous people and you can't find 10 that don't have a scandal associated with them. Furthermore, You say that he paid $15,000,000 to avoid prosecution. That's not exactly true. Since when does a settlement out of court financially stop CRIMINAL prosecution? Really? I don't think so. Civil and Criminal courts are separate. If there was enough evidence to convict, the settlement would have been used against MJ in court, wouldn't it?


well, the agreement was that they would not testify in lieu of the payment (a). So, if they don't testify, there is no evidence(b). Therefore, he avoided prosecution by agreeing to the settlement(c). (a + b = c)

Again, sex between consenting adults is hardly scandalous behavior, even if the media wants to claim such. It may be inappropriate, but it is hardly a scandal. Unless, of course, you let the media dictate to you what is a scandal. If that is the case...


Considering our culture looks badly against inappropriate sexual encourters, even between consenting adults, yes, it is certainly scandalous.

In addition, as far as MJ is concerned, a civil agreement to "not testify" will not hold up to being called UNDER OATH to testify. If the prosecution had any actual evidence of misconduct, they could have forced the people told they couldn't testify under the settlement to do exactly that or face perjury charges, right?



How can an underage minor commit perjury when they did not testify in the first place?
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#1660474 - 02/03/12 05:35 PM Re: Gleek Check Hrothgar Geiger
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In addition, as far as MJ is concerned, a civil agreement to "not testify" will not hold up to being called UNDER OATH to testify. If the prosecution had any actual evidence of misconduct, they could have forced the people told they couldn't testify under the settlement to do exactly that or face perjury charges, right?


hmmm...

1. can a court compel a minor to testify who says they don't want to
2. hey Mr. DA, you call me i swear i wont say anything to help your case
3. i'll take the 5th
4. it didn't happen like that
5. i don't remember

Now, prosecutors are loathe to take a case they don't think they can win, it is all about winning percentages for the DA. You can't charge someone for perjury for failing to testify, perjury is lying under oath.

Again, who agrees to pay $15,000,000 to settle an "allegation" if they are innocent? No defense trial is going to cost this much, unless it is going to drag on for months. This surely wouldn't have...
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#1660483 - 02/03/12 05:44 PM Re: Gleek Check B_F
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Considering our culture looks badly against inappropriate sexual encourters, even between consenting adults, yes, it is certainly scandalous.



who determines innapropriate? Over 30% of births in the US are to unmarried couples. over 75% of couples getting married admit to having had premarital sex. I don't think our culture looks badly against innapropriate sexual encounters, our culture glorifies it. Otherwise, explain The Jersey Shore, The Batchelor, Big Brother, The Batchelorette, Rock of Love, and all the other shows that are nothing but that. And then we can add in the fictional stuff...Big Love, Californication, the entire porn industry...

Again, who determines what is inappropriate? You? The media?

But...other than a very small percentage of our society will agree, as a whole, that sex with an underage child is wrong. Anyone accused of that would vigourously defend themself against that accusation, unless, of course, they knew they couldn't win and had a bunch of money...then, they would consider a settlement that kept it out of court.
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#1660545 - 02/03/12 06:39 PM Re: Gleek Check HappyGilmore
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Originally Posted By: BF
In addition, as far as MJ is concerned, a civil agreement to "not testify" will not hold up to being called UNDER OATH to testify. If the prosecution had any actual evidence of misconduct, they could have forced the people told they couldn't testify under the settlement to do exactly that or face perjury charges, right?


hmmm...

1. can a court compel a minor to testify who says they don't want to
2. hey Mr. DA, you call me i swear i wont say anything to help your case
3. i'll take the 5th
4. it didn't happen like that
5. i don't remember

Now, prosecutors are loathe to take a case they don't think they can win, it is all about winning percentages for the DA. You can't charge someone for perjury for failing to testify, perjury is lying under oath.

Again, who agrees to pay $15,000,000 to settle an "allegation" if they are innocent? No defense trial is going to cost this much, unless it is going to drag on for months. This surely wouldn't have...


You say he paid to keep from being prosecuted. He said he paid to make it be over, to stop the painting of him as a child molester. Did it work? Not really. To him, $15,000,000 was peanuts.

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#1660555 - 02/03/12 06:50 PM Re: Gleek Check Hrothgar Geiger
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Pulling people out of the ditc...
I didn't say that, the DA at the time did...

honestly, once someone of his notoriety is labeled a this, do you really think that he could make the painting of him as a child molester (your words) stop?

Look at the number of common people that are accused of something like this, and how vigourously defend themselves. At one time, just teh accusation itself was often enough to outrage a judge or jury to convict. Then, along comes the McMartin Preschool case, where it was ultimately found, after convictions, that the kids were goaded into confessions by overzealous health care workers, police, and ADAs. Suddenly, all types of these cases were being overturned.

So, again...what innocent person says "i'll pay $15,000,000 because it is a drop in the bucket and will make it all go away?" Because it didn't go away, and it will never go away. Does anyone who is accused of something like this ever get looked at the same way by their community? Isn't there always that "little sneaking suspicion" of where there is smoke there is fire?

I suppose that if it was me that was accused, if I was innocent, I would fight to prove it and clear my name. Not pay an exhorbinant amount "to make it go away." What would you do if it was you? Fight it? Or just pay up?

No one would pay up, unless...
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#1660665 - 02/03/12 08:47 PM Re: Gleek Check Hrothgar Geiger
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I watched it and thought it was great, I watch it every week I love the program. The singing in my opinion is phenomenal!
MJ was a little off but so are alot of celebs. It seems like alot of the rock and rollers and celebs try to out-wierd each other. He was never convicted and somtimes it's cheaper and less publicity to pay somebody off than to have a long drawn out trial.

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#1660759 - 02/03/12 11:07 PM Re: Gleek Check B_F
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Liam Neeson - Just a few months ago, was caught peeing himself in public.

This is controversial???!!! I don't even recognize this country anymore!!!

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