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#1727827 - 08/06/12 08:29 PM
Re: Now it is Standard Chartered's turn
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/07/busine...h-iranians.htmlIn the Standard Chartered investigation, the order said that the bank’s management created a formalized operating manual that showed staff members how to strip off any information from the transactions that might tie them to the sanctioned Iranian institution. The manual was called “Quality Operating Procedure Iranian Bank Processing.” w.o.w. And yet, how many little banks are going to get increased scrutiny whether or not they run OFAC on a $50 check being cashed by the gardener of one of their customers? If I hear regulators using the term "risk-based" one more time, I want to find one of those operating manuals to throw at them.
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#1727835 - 08/06/12 08:43 PM
Re: Now it is Standard Chartered's turn
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And yet, how many little banks are going to get increased scrutiny whether or not they run OFAC on a $50 check being cashed by the gardener of one of their customers?
All of us including the big guys,
One common thread I have noticed for the big guys is that the issuse were started by the sister/parent bank. How many of the little guys claim this issue.
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#1727841 - 08/06/12 08:56 PM
Re: Now it is Standard Chartered's turn
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"You f---ing Americans. Who are you to tell us, the rest of the world, that we're not going to deal with Iranians." Without getting into the international politics of that statement, I think it's that sort of attitude that may run deep behind many of these big OFAC/AML cases that get such huge press. Have you noticed that most of these banks are headquartered outside the U.S.? Like it or not, the U.S. is still a key money center player, and those foreign banks would have a rough go of it without their U.S. branches or correspondents. As the old saying goes, if you want to play on our turf, you play by our rules.
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#1727849 - 08/06/12 09:21 PM
Re: Now it is Standard Chartered's turn
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"IT IS NOW HEREBY ORDERED that, pursuant to Banking Law 39(1), SCB shall appear before the Superintendent or his designee on Wednesday, August 15, 2012, at 10:00A.M., at the Department’s offices located at One State Street Plaza, New York, NY 10004, to explain these apparent violations of law and to demonstrate why SCB’s license to operate in the State of New York should be revoked; and
IT IS HEREBY FURTHER ORDERED that on August 15, 2012, SCB shall also demonstrate why, pursuant to Banking Law 40(2), SCB’s U.S. dollar clearing operations should not be suspended pending a formal license revocation hearing;"
I guess all vacations are cancelled.
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#1727851 - 08/06/12 09:28 PM
Re: Now it is Standard Chartered's turn
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No. All vacations are mandatory to begin on August 14th. A trip out of the country is highley encouraged. Don't forget to get your bonus before you leave!
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#1727862 - 08/06/12 09:52 PM
Re: Now it is Standard Chartered's turn
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"You f---ing Americans. Who are you to tell us, the rest of the world, that we're not going to deal with Iranians." Without getting into the international politics of that statement, I think it's that sort of attitude that may run deep behind many of these big OFAC/AML cases that get such huge press. Have you noticed that most of these banks are headquartered outside the U.S.? Like it or not, the U.S. is still a key money center player, and those foreign banks would have a rough go of it without their U.S. branches or correspondents. As the old saying goes, if you want to play on our turf, you play by our rules. Exactly. If they want to run Iranian transactions solely in their overseas branches and NOT have any of them run through their systems in the U.S., that would be one thing. But I guess it turns out that they DO touch our shores which is why they had to have entire friggin' OPERATING MANUAL on how to scrub them! So my next question is - why IS it that their STATE regulatory agency found it? Who is their FEDERAL regulator? Is it the same regulator that pounds a little bank because they didn't do an OFAC scrub for First American Title Insurance Company? Or the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power? Or Verizon?
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#1727863 - 08/06/12 09:52 PM
Re: Now it is Standard Chartered's turn
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Here is the order in case you are interested. Standard Chartered Order
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#1727873 - 08/06/12 10:53 PM
Re: Now it is Standard Chartered's turn
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Looks like Deloitte was complicit in this mess.
'SCB asked D&T to delete from its draft “independent” report any reference to certain types of payments that could ultimately reveal SCB’s Iranian U-Turn practices. In an email discussing D&T’s draft, a D&T partner admitted that “we agreed” to SCB’s request because “this is too much and too politically sensitive for both SCB and Deloitte. That is why I drafted the watered-down version.”'
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#1727875 - 08/06/12 11:01 PM
Re: Now it is Standard Chartered's turn
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OH WOW!!! Standard Charter is one thing - D&T being complicit, now that is going to be some real news if they get formally drawn into this deal. This would toast them, as any independent audit that have performed would be suddenly suspect. This could be as big a WorldCom or Enron and the death of Arthur Andersen.
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#1727894 - 08/07/12 02:55 AM
Re: Now it is Standard Chartered's turn
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If I remember correctly, D & T's Global AML Director is ex DOJ. A major player in the AML world. The way it's quoted suggests the state has the actual emails. If that's true, I would agree with Randy that they are finished in the AML world.
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#1728079 - 08/07/12 03:31 PM
Re: Now it is Standard Chartered's turn
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More information on Deloitte's involvement Deloitte
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#1728085 - 08/07/12 03:43 PM
Re: Now it is Standard Chartered's turn
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OH WOW!!! Standard Charter is one thing - D&T being complicit, now that is going to be some real news if they get formally drawn into this deal. This would toast them, as any independent audit that have performed would be suddenly suspect. This could be as big a WorldCom or Enron and the death of Arthur Andersen. Wow!!! I agree. Big 3 anyone?
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#1728219 - 08/07/12 06:15 PM
Re: Now it is Standard Chartered's turn
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Reading the Order is unbelievable.....
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#1728365 - 08/07/12 10:02 PM
Re: Now it is Standard Chartered's turn
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Princess Romeo, don't forget RBS RBS Being Probed
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#1728460 - 08/08/12 01:05 PM
Re: Now it is Standard Chartered's turn
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Okay. They have blamed bank management, the regulators and Deloitte. Last but not least, they can blame the lawyers. Blame the Lawyers
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#1728465 - 08/08/12 01:13 PM
Re: Now it is Standard Chartered's turn
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This has all the makings of a food fight. An ambitious regulator, London bank arrogance, shady accountants (that's become an ironically redundant phrase of late) and obfuscatory lawyers -- all pointing the finger of blame at one another.
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#1728504 - 08/08/12 02:01 PM
Re: Now it is Standard Chartered's turn
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Things are getting ugly in the sandbox. The interesting thing here is that if the payment messages were "cleaned up" in the UK before even getting to NY, how would the US regulators uncover these Iranian U-Turn payments? Standard Chartered Bank begins fightback on Iran allegations
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#1728526 - 08/08/12 02:29 PM
Re: Now it is Standard Chartered's turn
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It just keeps getting better all the time. Feds Upset at NY Regulator
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#1728577 - 08/08/12 03:24 PM
Re: Now it is Standard Chartered's turn
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How did the NY Regulator get so many attorney/client communications to use as footnote references in the Order?
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