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#1747605 - 10/09/12 03:56 PM Approved, Not Accepred or Denial
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Application was made for const/perm loan for a primary residence. The Bank made a counter offer. The applicant did not accept and went with another lender.

For HMDA, the action taken is a denial, correct?

And, the action taken date is the date in which the applicant contacted the bank and indicated they did not accept the counter offer, right?

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#1747609 - 10/09/12 04:02 PM Re: Approved, Not Accepred or Denial Many Hats
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Correct on both.
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#1747620 - 10/09/12 04:21 PM Re: Approved, Not Accepred or Denial Many Hats
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I think your action taken date would be whatever the date of your denial is, not the date they contact you and say they don't want to accept your counteroffer.
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#1747630 - 10/09/12 04:30 PM Re: Approved, Not Accepred or Denial Many Hats
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You're right raitchjay, I forgot this was a counter-offer situation.
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#1747651 - 10/09/12 04:51 PM Re: Approved, Not Accepred or Denial Many Hats
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So, then if the applicant calls on 10/5 to say they do not accept the counter offer and the bank notates the file regarding this and closes it on 10/9, the action taken date is 10/9?

And, on a related note, since they aren't actually denying (it was a counter offer not accepted), an AAN is not necessary?

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#1747654 - 10/09/12 04:53 PM Re: Approved, Not Accepred or Denial Many Hats
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What date did the borrower not accept? That's your action taken date, not when the bank gets around to closing the file.

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#1747661 - 10/09/12 04:59 PM Re: Approved, Not Accepred or Denial Many Hats
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A counteroffer not accepted IS a denial (you wouldn't grant credit on the terms applied for). Your action taken date is when you issued the denial/counteroffer and yes, you would need an AAN.
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#1747663 - 10/09/12 04:59 PM Re: Approved, Not Accepred or Denial Many Hats
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Originally Posted By: TMatt87
You're right raitchjay, I forgot this was a counter-offer situation.


I think I was right the first time. The action date will be the date that the applicant withdrew.

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So, then if the applicant calls on 10/5 to say they do not accept the counter offer and the bank notates the file regarding this and closes it on 10/9, the action taken date is 10/9?

And, on a related note, since they aren't actually denying (it was a counter offer not accepted), an AAN is not necessary?


You're action date would be 10/5 and you would have to send out an AAN.
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#1747665 - 10/09/12 05:00 PM Re: Approved, Not Accepred or Denial Many Hats
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The applicant didn't withdraw. They didn't accept the counteroffer which is a denial.
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#1747666 - 10/09/12 05:03 PM Re: Approved, Not Accepred or Denial Many Hats
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Anything short of the loan closing in your bank's name after making a counteroffer is a denial. The applicant can't "withdraw" after you've denied credit on the terms applied for and instead make a counteroffer.
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#1747674 - 10/09/12 05:16 PM Re: Approved, Not Accepred or Denial Many Hats
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You're correct. I used the wrong verbiage.
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#1747690 - 10/09/12 05:53 PM Re: Approved, Not Accepred or Denial Many Hats
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Okay...so now I am confused....bottom line: If the applicant did not accept the counter offer (which was issued on 9/20), the HMDA action taken date would be 10/5 (the date the applicant did not accept the offer)???

Or, is the action taken date 10/9 (the date the bank closed the file)??

And, should the bank have issued a final denial notice on 10/9?

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#1747694 - 10/09/12 05:55 PM Re: Approved, Not Accepred or Denial Many Hats
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If the bank issued a combined counter/denial notice on 9/20 the HMDA action taken date would be 9/20. If the bank did not use the combined notice, you would need to send an AAN now and the action taken date would be the date on the AAN.

And you'll report the action type as denied and the loan amount as the amount originally applied for (not the amount of the counter).

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#1747699 - 10/09/12 06:01 PM Re: Approved, Not Accepred or Denial Many Hats
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The counter-offer did not list reasons why the request wasn't granted as applied...it just had the counter-offer details. So, essentially, they should have issued a denial notice specifying the reasons for denial.

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#1747728 - 10/09/12 06:40 PM Re: Approved, Not Accepred or Denial Many Hats
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Correct.

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