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#185216 - 04/29/04 05:20 PM "Morning Edition" - NPR
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Tomorrow is Bob Edwards' last day as host. He'll be missed.

Here's a nice piece from today's Washington Post. (You need to be registered, but registration is free...) W-Post article
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#185217 - 04/29/04 05:34 PM Re: "Morning Edition" - NPR
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I know - I still can't figure out what they were thinking! Do you know if he will still be working for NPR in some capacity?

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#185218 - 04/29/04 05:46 PM Re: "Morning Edition" - NPR
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He'll be a 'senior correspondent' when he returns from his vacation, so we'll still hear him from time to time. I just hope their new format doesn't get too mainstream - I've always appreciated the fact that the stories are more in-depth.

I suppose I could listen to sports radio full-time (my commute is an hour each way), but I really hate commercials and I'm too cheap to spring for subscription radio...
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#185219 - 04/29/04 06:36 PM Re: "Morning Edition" - NPR
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Yeah, I'd hate for that commercial-free radio that I subsidize to become too (ahem) "mainstream".

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#185220 - 04/29/04 07:59 PM Re: "Morning Edition" - NPR
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Oh, how I love Bob Edwards...I love NPR...I love herbal tea,wheat germ, oat flakes, bran, electric cars...I am just a public radio kind of guy.

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#185221 - 04/29/04 08:06 PM Re: "Morning Edition" - NPR
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I'd hate for that commercial-free radio that I subsidize ...





This is a mean-spirited statement. If we don't have taxpayer-subsidized alternative radio, how else will diverse viewpoints get heard. The only private broadcast radio that can sustain itself is conservative talkshows with conservative viewpoints, so having a publicly funded alternative provides a balance.

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#185222 - 04/29/04 08:16 PM Re: "Morning Edition" - NPR *DELETED*
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Deleted because it disrupted the Bob-Lovefest.

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#185223 - 04/29/04 08:18 PM Re: "Morning Edition" - NPR
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Oh, how I love Bob Edwards...I love NPR...I love herbal tea,wheat germ, oat flakes, bran, electric cars...I am just a public radio kind of guy.



I like the NRA and red meat. I guess I am a public radio kind of guy. Just exactly what is your point?
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#185224 - 04/29/04 09:17 PM Re: "Morning Edition" - NPR
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This is a mean-spirited statement. If we don't have taxpayer-subsidized alternative radio, how else will diverse viewpoints get heard. The only private broadcast radio that can sustain itself is conservative talkshows with conservative viewpoints, so having a publicly funded alternative provides a balance.




It's not my government's job to guarantee that "diverse viewpoints" are broadcast, or that they have an audience. My government's job is to guarantee the right to hold and express "diverse viewpoints". Read the Constitution. Or is it mean-spirited, too?

I think it's mean-spirited for legislators to steal my money to spend on purposes that are illegal. If you want a government that spends money on radio stations, amend the Constitution. Because it does not currently provide for such expenditures.

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#185225 - 04/29/04 09:21 PM Re: "Morning Edition" - NPR
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This is a mean-spirited statement. If we don't have taxpayer-subsidized alternative radio, how else will diverse viewpoints get heard. The only private broadcast radio that can sustain itself is conservative talkshows with conservative viewpoints, so having a publicly funded alternative provides a balance.




I hope you don't consider my comments "mean spirited" but the reason that conservative talkshows with conservative viewpoints get heard is because there is a market for them. That's what happens when you have a market economy. If the other viewpoints want to get heard, then they need to compete and win in the marketplace, not get government funding.
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#185226 - 04/29/04 09:30 PM Re: "Morning Edition" - NPR
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Public radio junkie here.
o I like classical music and public radio offers it.
o I like "Car Talk", and the like.
o I like the BBC. I like to here how the rest of the world views what we do as a county. I don’t happen to agree with them most of the time.
o I like the local and national news coverage. I take it with a grain of salt. “Keep your friends close…” –Sun Tsu.
o Chill out.
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#185227 - 04/29/04 09:40 PM Re: "Morning Edition" - NPR
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Public radio junkie here.
o I like classical music and public radio offers it.
o I like "Car Talk", and the like.
o I like the BBC. I like to here how the rest of the world views what we do as a county. I don’t happen to agree with them most of the time.
o I like the local and national news coverage. I take it with a grain of salt. “Keep your friends close…” –Sun Tsu.
o Chill out.




I am so chilled out! But I still have some questions...

I like some of the things about public radio too, but we have a competing classical station and CarTalk would be a hit on a commercial station. I guess my question would be: Why should the government subsidize this? For those of you who like the balance, how would you feel if NPR decided to balance their program by broadcasting a Rush Limbaugh-like show? I guess I just don't understand why it is subsidized regardless of the content.
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#185228 - 04/29/04 09:47 PM Re: "Morning Edition" - NPR
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Omega, those are all great reasons to listen to a radio station. But none convince me that it's a good idea to trash the Constitution. So, I guess I just can't "chill out".

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#185229 - 04/29/04 10:32 PM Re: "Morning Edition" - NPR
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How, exactly, is government funding of public radio illegal? And how does the gov't "steal" your money for this purpose? Because you feel that public radio doesn't fall under the "genereal welfare" clause? Or because you don't want to pay for something with which you disagree?

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#185230 - 04/30/04 01:16 PM Re: "Morning Edition" - NPR
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The words, "General Welfare" in the United States Constitution have been used for generations by the spendthrifts in Washington to justify every manner of illegal expenditure imaginable. The emphasis in those two words should be on "General", meaning, not benefiting one class or group over another. Therefore, the "General Welfare" provision was a means of limiting Congress, not, as PJ O'Rourke might say, handing car keys and whiskey to teenage boys.

Tell me, which of the specific powers granted Congress in Article I authorizes radio funding?

Courtesy of Merriam Webster:

Main Entry: steal
Pronunciation: 'stE(&)l
Function: verb
1 : to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as an habitual or regular practice

Sounds like I hit the nail on the head, to tell you the truth.

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#185231 - 04/30/04 01:43 PM Re: "Morning Edition" - NPR
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I agree about Car Talk. That would generate ratings on any private sector station. Those two guys are hilarious!
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#185232 - 04/30/04 02:08 PM Re: "Morning Edition" - NPR
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Jokerman - As articulate and sensitive as you appear to be, I can't imagine that you would not support diversity of opinion and alternative thinking. Simply put, National Public Radio as an alternative source for providing news opinion is unable to financially sustain its operation without some type of financial help, and this is why Congressman Franks and Senator Kennedy supported the 1998 authorization to the Coporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB) of $198.3 million to replace and upgrade the aging public TV and satellite communications systems.

Without this financial assistance, the public signal would have eventually terminated -- meaning the end of CPB.

It's easy for right-wing supported private radio to upgrade their systems, because they have the listenership and sponsors to afford these upgrades, but public radio does not have this level of listnership or support.

Do you really think it would be fair to allow NPR to shut down?

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#185233 - 04/30/04 02:16 PM Re: "Morning Edition" - NPR
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I don't want to speak for Jokerman, but the expression of differing opinions doesn't scare me. What bothers me is the government is funding the expression of the differing opinion. If the other opinions want to be heard, then they need to compete in the marketplace.

To me, "fair" has absolutely nothing to do with it.
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#185234 - 04/30/04 02:34 PM Re: "Morning Edition" - NPR
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Dawgfan is exactly right, it is not the federal government's responsibility to ensure that everyone gets what you deem a "fair" amount of money to broadcast their political opinions. I do support diversity of opinion, I just don't think you can ethically force Americans to pay for it.

Also, as a practical matter, there is no question that Big Bird, Garrison Keillor, and the Car Talk fellas could obtain sponsorship if they wanted.

All that said, I'm not sure what makes you think I am "sensitive". In fact, I'm a little creeped out by it.

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#185235 - 04/30/04 03:07 PM Re: "Morning Edition" - NPR
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There are those who do not agree with NPR or conservative talk radio. Should each of these voices also have a government sponsored radio?
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#185236 - 04/30/04 03:27 PM Re: "Morning Edition" - NPR
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Simply put, National Public Radio as an alternative source for providing news opinion is unable to financially sustain its operation without some type of financial help, and this is why Congressman Franks and Senator Kennedy supported the 1998 authorization to the Coporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB) of $198.3 million to replace and upgrade the aging public TV and satellite communications systems.



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Without this financial assistance, the public signal would have eventually terminated -- meaning the end of CPB.



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It's easy for right-wing supported private radio to upgrade their systems, because they have the listenership and sponsors to afford these upgrades, but public radio does not have this level of listnership or support.



Three of the best arguments I've ever heard for an end to the subsidy of NPR.

Supporting diversity of opinion and alternative thinking is all very fine and good. But, supporting the free exchange of ideas and using taxpayer funds to subsidize a particular viewpoint are worlds apart.

Who decides which viewpoints are worth subsidizing? Are there really only 2 possible alternatives in thinking, "right-wing" which can pay its own way and "left-wing" which can't? Why not NAMBLA or the Ku Klux Klan? Why not home-schoolers or vegetarians? Why not those yelling "death to America"?

Free exchange of ideas is good. Taxpayer subsidy of one viewpoint is not.
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#185237 - 04/30/04 03:35 PM Re: "Morning Edition" - NPR
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Joker, Article 1, Section 8 permits Congress to "provide for the general welfare of the United States." There are two determinants as to what constitutes the general welfare of the United States(in order of power): the determination of Congress and a veto by the President.

You may not agree with the determination of Congress regarding the what it deems the general welfare of the US (I frequently disagree with their judgment). But that does not make their determination illegal or unconstitutional. It just makes it different from yours (or mine). Characterizing spending money for this purpose as illegal is not accurate.

If you disagree with the judgment of Congress, then change their judgment by changing the people who are elected to Congress. But don't mis-characterize the proper use of the authority and judgement granted to Congress by the Framers as illegal.
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#185238 - 04/30/04 03:38 PM Re: "Morning Edition" - NPR
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WOW! This went from zero to 60 in nothing flat! Why not take on the National Endowment for the Arts and all the rest of government's misspendings? Personally, NPR doesn't bother me one way or the other. Now, the legality of campaign funding and the ads they generate, there's a debate subject for ya'll.

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#185239 - 04/30/04 03:38 PM Re: "Morning Edition" - NPR
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pbrinker, if it is entirely up to Congress and the President what their powers are to "provide for the general welfare", why did the founders bother to enumerate the specific powers?

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#185240 - 04/30/04 03:42 PM Re: "Morning Edition" - NPR
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Do you really think it would be fair to allow NPR to shut down?




I do not understand this question? Now, it is an issue of "fairness." You need to couch your argument in terms other than fairness. It isn't a matter of fairness; it is a matter of a proper use of tax dollars. What if Pres. Bush decided that the USA needed NPR to be conservative radio, would you advocate cutting off funding because there are conservative radio programs a-plenty? To me there is no argument for NPR. I would oppose government funding of it even if I always agreed with everything it said. It just is another Democratic misuse of our money. That is not to say that Republican's don't misuse our money--they do--I'm just not sure this is one that our Republican representatives support. If they do, then this is a bi-partisan misuse of our money.
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