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#1944918 - 07/23/14 09:19 PM
Re: 'Poor doors' in NYC
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I saw the results of a poll from Gallup that few Americans support hiring discrimination against people who smoke or are obese. But I suspect that many of those same people support discrimination against people because of sexual orientation or citizenship status....
Where do we draw the line?
At the border?
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#1944922 - 07/23/14 09:20 PM
Re: 'Poor doors' in NYC
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Why stop at the border? Why not physical appearance or surname? That's what many people seem to do anyway.
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#1944925 - 07/23/14 09:22 PM
Re: 'Poor doors' in NYC
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Who?
Citizenship, or at least the governmental approval to work in a country, one would think, is a valid reason not to hire someone.
Not sure what your definition of hiring discrimination is, however.
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#1944942 - 07/23/14 09:48 PM
Re: 'Poor doors' in NYC
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Said in a gruff voice "I do not need poor doors on my buildings..... because I'm Bat Man!!!"
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#1944955 - 07/23/14 10:41 PM
Re: 'Poor doors' in NYC
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Who? Citizenship, or at least the governmental approval to work in a country, one would think, is a valid reason not to hire someone. Not sure what your definition of hiring discrimination is, however. Who? Lots of people who operate outside your bubble. I don't think that US citizenship should be a litmus test for *all* government related employment. Obviously there are security reasons why non-citizens should be disqualified. I don't think our government should have much say in who we exclude for employment unless it's to enforce specifically enacted laws and regulations.
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#1944961 - 07/24/14 03:13 AM
Re: 'Poor doors' in NYC
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To me the idea of a "poor door" in the American experience is revolting. However, it sometimes seems most Americans don't understand how discrimination hurts (and I'm not talking about just racial discrimination).
THAT's what I thought too. Not sure how this went from here to an employment discussion tho. imo, I think that America should take care of Americans first. That includes giving them first crack at available jobs in both the government and private sectors.
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#1944971 - 07/24/14 12:28 PM
Re: 'Poor doors' in NYC
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#1945033 - 07/24/14 01:55 PM
Re: 'Poor doors' in NYC
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The poor should just go live in New Jersey until they can properly afford Manhattan. exaclty NJ has a tremendous shortage in affordable housing. True. But for people who have tried to live in and afford NYC, even Bergen County looks like "affordable housing".
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#1945085 - 07/24/14 02:33 PM
Re: 'Poor doors' in NYC
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Who? Citizenship, or at least the governmental approval to work in a country, one would think, is a valid reason not to hire someone. Not sure what your definition of hiring discrimination is, however. Who? Lots of people who operate outside your bubble. I don't think that US citizenship should be a litmus test for *all* government related employment. Obviously there are security reasons why non-citizens should be disqualified. I don't think our government should have much say in who we exclude for employment unless it's to enforce specifically enacted laws and regulations. Are there not already laws that state that illegal immigrants without the proper documents are not allowed to work in the US? http://immigration.lawyers.com/immigration/legal-rights-of-illegal-immigrants.htmlNo Right to Work It's against federal law for an employer to hire an undocumented immigrant - someone whose doesn't have a green card, visa, or naturalization documents. These individuals are "undocumented workers." Employers are responsible for taking measures to make sure they don't hire undocumented workers. However, they sometimes hire them unknowingly. Once you're hired, you have certain rights.
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#1945086 - 07/24/14 02:35 PM
Re: 'Poor doors' in NYC
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Who? Citizenship, or at least the governmental approval to work in a country, one would think, is a valid reason not to hire someone. Not sure what your definition of hiring discrimination is, however. Who? Lots of people who operate outside your bubble. I don't think that US citizenship should be a litmus test for *all* government related employment. Obviously there are security reasons why non-citizens should be disqualified. I don't think our government should have much say in who we exclude for employment unless it's to enforce specifically enacted laws and regulations. Are there not already laws that state that illegal immigrants without the proper documents are not allowed to work in the US? http://immigration.lawyers.com/immigration/legal-rights-of-illegal-immigrants.htmlNo Right to Work It's against federal law for an employer to hire an undocumented immigrant - someone whose doesn't have a green card, visa, or naturalization documents. These individuals are "undocumented workers." Employers are responsible for taking measures to make sure they don't hire undocumented workers. However, they sometimes hire them unknowingly. Once you're hired, you have certain rights.
One of those pesky laws that it had been determined that does not need to be followed or enforced.
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#1945112 - 07/24/14 02:49 PM
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Rent controls, price controls - these have all been tried and failed.
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#1945117 - 07/24/14 02:54 PM
Re: 'Poor doors' in NYC
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MB, And that brings us back around to buggs post regarding Lord Grantham. Yes, the home he dwells in is fictional. But stay with me here. I gave it a lot of thought last night with regard to Truffie’s post. At Grantham House, the “poor door” is actually an employee door. Those that enter through it are given wages and room and board for the work that they do. The “owners” of the house also see to it that 100s of jobs are created throughout Downton, Yorkshire. From the tenant farmer who resides on the land in exchange for farming food for the house, I imagine he also sells food in the local village. To the doctors who buy food for their cooks to prepare, and who employ nurses, etc for those in the village. From the staff that lives in the house, to the local bars or eateries or markets where they can purchase food or drink with wages earned in the house. That house fuels an economy for all those that live around it, beginning with those hardworking, wage earners that enter through the “poor door.” Now, you look at present day. The author tried to classify this as a class system. But I don’t think it is as the author portrays it. You have one apartment building with 2 entrances, to my understanding. Entrance one also allows you access to additional amenities that can be paid for, like a pool, or an exercise facility. If you cannot afford the additional amenities, please use the entrance that bypasses them. You get what you pay for. If you would like to be able to pay for more, please better yourself. Get a better job. Get an education. Do it for yourself. Or marry for money (that seems to work on the show buggs was talking about too)!
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#1945132 - 07/24/14 03:02 PM
Re: 'Poor doors' in NYC
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he author tried to classify this as a class system. But I don’t think it is as the author portrays it.
But then the media failed and did not force their agenda on you.
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#1945143 - 07/24/14 03:05 PM
Re: 'Poor doors' in NYC
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Now, you look at present day. The author tried to classify this as a class system. But I don’t think it is as the author portrays it. You have one apartment building with 2 entrances, to my understanding. Entrance one also allows you access to additional amenities that can be paid for, like a pool, or an exercise facility. If you cannot afford the additional amenities, please use the entrance that bypasses them. You get what you pay for. Is this not similar to 1st class on a plane? Is the curtain discriminatory? In the spirit of fairness and inclusion, should we tear that curtain down? I've also been to events where I've paid extra to get a VIP badge that allows access to areas where folks who paid for a normal ticket aren't allowed. Does this make me a bad person? Have I unwittingly engaged in class warfare?
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#1945147 - 07/24/14 03:09 PM
Re: 'Poor doors' in NYC
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Is this not similar to 1st class on a plane? Is the curtain discriminatory? In the spirit of fairness and inclusion, should we tear that curtain down? I've also been to events where I've paid extra to get a VIP badge that allows access to areas where folks who paid for a normal ticket aren't allowed. Does this make me a bad person? Have I unwittingly engaged in class warfare? yes no no no maybe
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#1945150 - 07/24/14 03:10 PM
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I'm voting: yes no no yes maybe
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#1945155 - 07/24/14 03:13 PM
Re: 'Poor doors' in NYC
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Now, you look at present day. The author tried to classify this as a class system. But I don’t think it is as the author portrays it. You have one apartment building with 2 entrances, to my understanding. Entrance one also allows you access to additional amenities that can be paid for, like a pool, or an exercise facility. If you cannot afford the additional amenities, please use the entrance that bypasses them. You get what you pay for. Is this not similar to 1st class on a plane? Is the curtain discriminatory? In the spirit of fairness and inclusion, should we tear that curtain down? I've also been to events where I've paid extra to get a VIP badge that allows access to areas where folks who paid for a normal ticket aren't allowed. Does this make me a bad person? Have I unwittingly engaged in class warfare? If you flu Jetblue they have a no class policy
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#1945159 - 07/24/14 03:14 PM
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The VIP Badge should include a hefty tax to subsidize badges for those who buy cheaper tickets. Or better yet, "We don't need no stinking badges."* *As I do not wish to be accused of plagiarism, I am not claiming these to be my words.
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#1945163 - 07/24/14 03:15 PM
Re: 'Poor doors' in NYC
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Now, you look at present day. The author tried to classify this as a class system. But I don’t think it is as the author portrays it. You have one apartment building with 2 entrances, to my understanding. Entrance one also allows you access to additional amenities that can be paid for, like a pool, or an exercise facility. If you cannot afford the additional amenities, please use the entrance that bypasses them. You get what you pay for. Is this not similar to 1st class on a plane? Is the curtain discriminatory? In the spirit of fairness and inclusion, should we tear that curtain down? I've also been to events where I've paid extra to get a VIP badge that allows access to areas where folks who paid for a normal ticket aren't allowed. Does this make me a bad person? Have I unwittingly engaged in class warfare? If you flu Jetblue they have a no class policy Bobby tried that once and they said "sir, even we have SOME standards".
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#1945165 - 07/24/14 03:16 PM
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Viva la revolucion!!!
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#1945168 - 07/24/14 03:17 PM
Re: 'Poor doors' in NYC
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I'm voting: yes no no yes no - though you are indeed a bad person, this is not the particular reason ftfy
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