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#1953391 - 08/15/14 01:46 PM Re: Tony Stewart edAudit
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Pulling people out of the ditc...
let's get some facts straight, please...

1. car racing is not a sport, it is a competition
2. rules of the competition say stay in your car unless it is on fire or you are in serious danger of worse injury
3. kid got out of his car, with no fire and no threat of serious injury
4. kid runs at a vehicle traveling an estimated 35 miles per hour and is struck by the car
5. bumping of cars while competing for track space is within the rules of competition (called swapping paint by most)
6. car racing is a competition, not a sport
7. people who participate in professional level competitions are the most Type A personalities, ultra competitive, and often their quest for the competition overrides their common sense. this competitive drive is what got them to this level, and it is what makes the competition entertaining.
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#1953405 - 08/15/14 01:57 PM Re: Tony Stewart edAudit
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NASCAR has new rule to keep drivers in cars under yellow

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nas...rd-jr/14100643/

If you believe USA today it was just a guideline. Now it is a rule with no penalty. (seems like they want emotions to be shown in the sport of NASCAR Much like steroids in baseball in the 90s, Hockey, and flopping in soccer)
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#1953473 - 08/15/14 03:09 PM Re: Tony Stewart HappyGilmore
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If the driver wasn't Tony Stewart, few people here would even know the accident happened. If the driver wasn't Tony Stewart, no one here would be presumptuous enough to suggest he did it on purpose.

Stewart's like others (such as Kyle and Kurt) a bad boy persona as the result of a cultivated effort. I'm not a fan of any of them, but my world is not simplistic enough to think that would automatically make any of them guilty of intentionally killing someone.

The kid, bless his heart, was emulating his heroes, but it wasn't a paved track and it wasn't daylight. He miscalculated the risk and I feel horrible for him and for those he left behind.
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#1953567 - 08/15/14 04:37 PM Re: Tony Stewart edAudit
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Well said Ken.
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#1953615 - 08/15/14 05:08 PM Re: Tony Stewart edAudit
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I know nothing about racing but Nate Ryan, guy that wrote the article and covers NASCAR for USA Today, is my cousin. smile

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#1953707 - 08/15/14 06:00 PM Re: Tony Stewart Elwood P. Dowd
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Originally Posted By: Ken_Pegasus
If the driver wasn't Tony Stewart, few people here would even know the accident happened. If the driver wasn't Tony Stewart, no one here would be presumptuous enough to suggest he did it on purpose.

Stewart's like others (such as Kyle and Kurt) a bad boy persona as the result of a cultivated effort. I'm not a fan of any of them, but my world is not simplistic enough to think that would automatically make any of them guilty of intentionally killing someone.

The kid, bless his heart, was emulating his heroes, but it wasn't a paved track and it wasn't daylight. He miscalculated the risk and I feel horrible for him and for those he left behind.


I dont think many, if any, think Stewart meant to kill him. But he does have a history of doing macho, potentially dangerous stuff when he feels disrespected. That's a plausible scenario for what happened here-basically vehicular manslaughter-we'll see what comes from the investigation.

Yeah, Ware did something stupid, but that doesn't mean if Stewart escalates it by doing something stupid himself he gets off the hook.

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#1953714 - 08/15/14 06:06 PM Re: Tony Stewart Stupendous Man
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But he does have a history of doing macho, potentially dangerous stuff when he feels disrespected.


Aside from Marcus Ambrose, which drivers do not have that history?

Stewart isn't on "the hook." He's only being accused by 1) people whose emotions are raw and 2) those who were sitting in row TT on the opposite side of the track, 3) those watching videos on U Tube. Not by other drivers. Not by in-car cameras. Not by NASCAR officials. Not by the Sheriff (whose poise is incredible given the size of the town).
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#1953734 - 08/15/14 06:24 PM Re: Tony Stewart Elwood P. Dowd
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Originally Posted By: Ken_Pegasus

Aside from Marcus Ambrose, which drivers do not have that history?


Doesn't excuse it. The analogy i'd use is beanballs in baseball. eventually, someone's gonna stare at a home run too long and get hit in the head and die. Because beanballs are a part of baseball culture wont excuse it. They're still taking a chance. If you get unlucky and it goes horribly wrong, you get punished. Just like a barfight. I bet 95% of fistfights just end with guys getting thrown out of the bar. But you shove a guy, he falls and happens to hit his head and die--welp, you just committed manslaughter.

Originally Posted By: Ken_Pegasus
Stewart isn't on "the hook." He's only being accused by 1) people whose emotions are raw and 2) those who were sitting in row TT on the opposite side of the track, 3) those watching videos on U Tube. Not by other drivers. Not by in-car cameras. Not by NASCAR officials. Not by the Sheriff (whose poise is incredible given the size of the town).


That's my point. IF he acted recklessly (and that's still up in the air, but IF he did) then Ware's mistake shouldn't excuse his actions.

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#1953839 - 08/15/14 08:50 PM Re: Tony Stewart edAudit
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Interesting Op Ed.

http://ondirtracingnews.com/?p=6836

Very informative
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#1953845 - 08/15/14 09:00 PM Re: Tony Stewart edAudit
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everyone is wrong

That I can agree with.
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#1953928 - 08/18/14 10:57 AM Re: Tony Stewart DD Regs
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The most knowledgeable, analytical piece I've read on the subject, but perhaps too detailed for the general public.

Many of the others I've read seem to paraphrase the Queen of Hearts:

'No, no!' said the Queen. 'Sentence first - verdict afterwards.'
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#1954053 - 08/18/14 04:45 PM Re: Tony Stewart edAudit
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#1954079 - 08/18/14 05:28 PM Re: Tony Stewart edAudit
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Pulling people out of the ditc...
saw a blurb scroll on NBCSN this weekend that Stewart was retiring from auto racing...no idea if accurate...
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#1954082 - 08/18/14 05:30 PM Re: Tony Stewart edAudit
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#1964401 - 09/24/14 07:58 PM Re: Tony Stewart edAudit
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The latest: Tony will not be charged, and Kevin Ward was high on marijuana that night on the track.

Fox news link, or, if you prefer: CNN news link

As the official NASCAR spokesman said, "There are no winners in tragedy." How true.
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#1964463 - 09/24/14 09:45 PM Re: Tony Stewart edAudit
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I read one of the articles, I think it was the Times,and they did not want to release the actual findings of the grand jury, just that no charges will be filed and the kid was high so his judgement was clouded.
So does that mean it is ok to run over people that are high because their judgment is clouded?
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#1964465 - 09/24/14 09:48 PM Re: Tony Stewart Wolfy
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don't race while high and don't get out of your car after a crash (unless you have to to save your life)
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#1964474 - 09/24/14 10:37 PM Re: Tony Stewart Peepers
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don't race while high and don't get out of your car after a crash (unless you have to to save your life)


'Zactly!
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#1964494 - 09/25/14 02:59 AM Re: Tony Stewart edAudit
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It was an accident. It is too bad, but these things happen when you get out of your car on a race track while cars are still driving on it.
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#1964516 - 09/25/14 01:27 PM Re: Tony Stewart Wolfy
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So does that mean it is ok to run over people that are high because their judgment is clouded?



Right? I'm not sure why him smoking pot matters. He messed up going onto the track, but the question was always whether Tony Stewart tried to buzz him and got too close. (Assuming it wasn't a full on purpose hit).

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#1964533 - 09/25/14 01:47 PM Re: Tony Stewart Stupendous Man
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Originally Posted By: Wolfy

So does that mean it is ok to run over people that are high because their judgment is clouded?



Right? I'm not sure why him smoking pot matters. He messed up going onto the track, but the question was always whether Tony Stewart tried to buzz him and got too close. (Assuming it wasn't a full on purpose hit).


Smoking pot matters when it clouds your judgment and you walk out in front of or too near a 600hp racecar that's difficult to control, especially while it's riding on a slippery track.

Now, do I think TS may have gotten too close to prove something to this stupid kid? Quite possibly, but I think the greater amount of negligence is on the kid smoking pot then driving a racecar. That's just plum dumb, may he rest in peace.
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#1964549 - 09/25/14 02:04 PM Re: Tony Stewart edAudit
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There was a statement by one of the grand jury members who stated that a review of the evidence (film) showed no change in the direction of Tony's car until after impact by the rear tire.
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#1964634 - 09/25/14 03:45 PM Re: Tony Stewart edAudit
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Strange that we now have the possibility of an entire state legally driving around impaired by pot. whose fault will all the crashes be? O_o
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#1964635 - 09/25/14 03:47 PM Re: Tony Stewart Wolfy
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#1964684 - 09/25/14 04:27 PM Re: Tony Stewart edAudit
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