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#1946482 - 07/28/14 05:02 PM Re: CFPB Proposed Rule amending Regulation C/HMDA Kathleen O. Blanchard
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Originally Posted By: Kathleen B
I wouldn't be surprised if that pushed out a year from those dates to allow for the extensive programming changes needed.

Agreed, especially in light of the burden the cost of implementation for the 8/1/15 changes for the integrated disclosures is going to put on banks.

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#1946491 - 07/28/14 05:12 PM Re: CFPB Proposed Rule amending Regulation C/HMDA Kathleen O. Blanchard
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Originally Posted By: Kathleen B
Here are the proposed fields. There is a lot of explanatory data that is key to when and what to report.

§ 1003.4 Compilation of reportable data.
(1) A universal loan identifier
(2) Insured Under National Housing Act
(3) Loan Type
(4) Preapproval
(5) Construction Method
(6) Principal Residence
(7) Amount
(8) There is no 8
(9) Location including address and geocoding
(10) Ethnicity Rate Sex and Age and Gross Annual Income
(11) Purchaser Type
(12) Rate Spread
(13) HOEPA
(14) Lien Priority
(15) Credit Score
(16) Denial Reasons
(17) Points and Fees
(18) Itemized Amounts Paid At or Before Closing
(19) Points to Reduce Rate
(20) Interest Rate if no points
(21) Interest Rate
(22) Prepayment Penalty Term in Months
(23) Debt to Income Ratio
(24) Loan to Value
(25) Term in Months to Maturity
(26) Months to First Interest Rate Change
(27) Negative Terms (Balloon, Interest Only, Negative Amortization)
(28) Property Value
(29) Manufactured Home – Real or Personal Property
(30) Manufactured Home – Land Owned or Leased
(31) Number of Dwelling Units
(32) Number of Affordable Housing Units if Multifamily
(33) Channel
(34) MLO NMLSR ID
(35) AUS System Name
(36) Reverse Mortgage Identifier
(37) Open End Line of Credit/HELOC identifier
(38) ATR and QM Identifier
(39) Amount of draw at account opening for HELOC and open end Reverse Mortgage


If there is an 8 how can there be "no 8"?
I'm confused
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#1946492 - 07/28/14 05:14 PM Re: CFPB Proposed Rule amending Regulation C/HMDA GTS333
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I haven't figured that out yet, but in that section there is no 8! That is my comment....the numbering went 7 to 9.
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#1946537 - 07/28/14 06:51 PM Re: CFPB Proposed Rule amending Regulation C/HMDA GTS333
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out of the frying pan...
#8 must be for the flood zone, because it looks like that's the only thing missing from just making this the full loan record.
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#1946559 - 07/28/14 07:14 PM Re: CFPB Proposed Rule amending Regulation C/HMDA GTS333
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My guess is #8 is "type of action taken, and the date" per the current version of 1003.4.

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#1946641 - 07/28/14 09:36 PM Re: CFPB Proposed Rule amending Regulation C/HMDA Kathleen O. Blanchard
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Originally Posted By: Kathleen B
Proposed instruction 4(a)(34)-2 in appendix A provides that, in the event that the mortgage loan originator is not required to obtain and has not been assigned an NMLSR ID, a financial institution must enter “NA” for not applicable.


Excellent. Thanks!
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#1946657 - 07/28/14 11:37 PM Re: CFPB Proposed Rule amending Regulation C/HMDA GTS333
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Still reading, but....

Lower the threshold for reporting to 25 covered transactions.
-My response "Awesome! We won't have to report"

Covered transactions now include business loans secured by residence.
-My response "Damn. Now we have to report again."

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#1946659 - 07/28/14 11:52 PM Re: CFPB Proposed Rule amending Regulation C/HMDA GTS333
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oh....my.....goodness.....
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#1946660 - 07/28/14 11:51 PM Re: CFPB Proposed Rule amending Regulation C/HMDA GTS333
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Yes, I plan to comment on that as it also creates a great conflict with CRA that must be resolved if this goes forward as is. There are 2 very limited exceptions in CRA. If they do this, I hate to say it, but we need a marker for business purpose loans because they cannot be double counted. Banks would lose credit for many small commercial loans that have a residence as secondary collateral or even taken in an abundance of caution.

Understand that the proposed broadened definition of covered transaction came about because folks in the small business panels said it was too hard to figure out what was reportable!

Be careful what you ask for.
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#1946679 - 07/29/14 12:53 PM Re: CFPB Proposed Rule amending Regulation C/HMDA GTS333
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Does anyone have a link to the Small Business Review Panel report? I have been unable to locate a copy of the report even though it's referenced multiple times in the proposed rule.

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#1946681 - 07/29/14 12:57 PM Re: CFPB Proposed Rule amending Regulation C/HMDA GTS333
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#1946682 - 07/29/14 01:00 PM Re: CFPB Proposed Rule amending Regulation C/HMDA GTS333
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Thank you!

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#1946690 - 07/29/14 01:15 PM Re: CFPB Proposed Rule amending Regulation C/HMDA RR Becca
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Originally Posted By: RR Becca
#8 must be for the flood zone, because it looks like that's the only thing missing from just making this the full loan record.


Maybe it will be the borrowers blood type. smile
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#1947297 - 07/30/14 03:44 PM Re: CFPB Proposed Rule amending Regulation C/HMDA JWills, CRCM
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Originally Posted By: RR Becca
#8 must be for the flood zone, because it looks like that's the only thing missing from just making this the full loan record.



Or....favorite ice cream flavor! smile
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#1947299 - 07/30/14 03:46 PM Re: CFPB Proposed Rule amending Regulation C/HMDA GTS333
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It has to be the action codes (action taken and date).
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#1947337 - 07/30/14 04:40 PM Re: CFPB Proposed Rule amending Regulation C/HMDA GTS333
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so is it true that this proposal would take the number of reportable fields from 26 to 54 as stated in an article today? Zounds!

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#1947390 - 07/30/14 05:52 PM Re: CFPB Proposed Rule amending Regulation C/HMDA GTS333
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Beginning on page 531 they refer to if the dwelling will be a primary, secondary, etc. dwelling of the applicant or borrower. It does not refer to the owner.

So if a child is borrowing money for a covered purpose and securing the loan with the parent's home they (parents) live in but the parents do not sign the note, only the security agreement, according to the language beginning on page 531 the owner-occupancy would be non-owner occupied.

This reverts back to the reporting requirements prior to the 2004 changes.

Have I missed something?
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#1947404 - 07/30/14 06:09 PM Re: CFPB Proposed Rule amending Regulation C/HMDA GTS333
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Page 139:

"For these reasons, to implement section 304(b)(2) of HMDA and pursuant to its authority under sections 305(a) and 304(b)(6)(J) of HMDA, the Bureau is proposing to modify § 1003.4(a)(6) to provide that a financial institution shall report whether the property identified in § 1003.4(a)(9) is or will be used by the applicant or borrower as a principal residence, as a second residence, or as an investment property."
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#1947406 - 07/30/14 06:14 PM Re: CFPB Proposed Rule amending Regulation C/HMDA GTS333
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out of the frying pan...
So that's a yes - we're going back to the pre-2004 practice of reporting borrower occupancy instead of owner occupancy. Right?
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#1947410 - 07/30/14 06:18 PM Re: CFPB Proposed Rule amending Regulation C/HMDA GTS333
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I'm confused. That doesn't answer Dan's question, Kathleen.
What would you report re: primary, secondary or investment on the parents' house as collateral?

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#1947411 - 07/30/14 06:18 PM Re: CFPB Proposed Rule amending Regulation C/HMDA GTS333
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Well, as proposed. But they are asking for comments, so that would be good to point out and inquire!

I am starting a list, because I do plan to submit a comment letter.
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#1947413 - 07/30/14 06:19 PM Re: CFPB Proposed Rule amending Regulation C/HMDA Truffle Royale
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Originally Posted By: Truffle Royale
I'm confused. That doesn't answer Dan's question, Kathleen.
What would you report re: primary, secondary or investment on the parents' house as collateral?



I am merely quoting what the bureau has stated and they do NOT reference a property owned by a third party, merely reporting property owned by the applicant/borrower. I will check the proposed commentary to see what that might have to say on what they intend.
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#1947415 - 07/30/14 06:21 PM Re: CFPB Proposed Rule amending Regulation C/HMDA GTS333
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Keep in mind this is a proposal. They are asking for comments on what is proposed; request clarification where you need it.
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#1947421 - 07/30/14 06:24 PM Re: CFPB Proposed Rule amending Regulation C/HMDA GTS333
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Editorial rant warning!

Does the OWNER of the property currently occupy the premises taken as collateral.
That's basic, easy to understand English so of course CFPB is going to mess with it!
Can you just see the myriad of errors that's going to make?
And there isn't a pivot table in existence that will catch that.
mad
I'm tired of this stuff going overboard.

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#1947422 - 07/30/14 06:23 PM Re: CFPB Proposed Rule amending Regulation C/HMDA GTS333
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What Dan stated is from the commentary. My cite is from the discussion at the beginning.
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