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#2010963 - 04/29/15 03:57 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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The league should have appropriate punishments in place to deal with cheating, rule breaking etc.
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#2010966 - 04/29/15 04:01 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) RVFlyboy
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I switched my brand of macaroni and cheese to Vevleeta from Kraft, I refuse to help that cheater make any more money...all other cheese is now Borden or Sargento, our house is Kraft free...if only the NFL were...
You do know that Robert Kraft has absolutely no connection to Kraft Foods, right? Kraft made his money in the cardboard industry.


Kraft Mac N Cheese and Cardboard...same thing are the not smirk
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#2010967 - 04/29/15 04:02 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) TB 12
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Pulling people out of the ditc...
Originally Posted By Sox in '13
The league should have appropriate punishments in place to deal with cheating, rule breaking etc. and not be afraid to use them because one team is a larger revenue generator or more popular than another, the punishment is suitable for the level, and it is done timely


agreed with an addition in red
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#2010975 - 04/29/15 04:20 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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Agreed Happy.
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#2010983 - 04/29/15 04:37 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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Pulling people out of the ditc...
over the past few years I've really become indifferent to the NFL...between the protection of certain players (QBs), dumbing down of the rules, discrepancies among rules (what is a "football move" anyway?), subjectivity of penalties, much less the off field antics of the spoiled stars and how the NFL treats them...just really have better things to do on Sunday...the NFL is quickly heading the way of professional wrestling, an entertainment company with athletic performers...
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#2010994 - 04/29/15 05:00 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) TB 12
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Originally Posted By Sox in '13
The league should have appropriate punishments in place to deal with cheating, rule breaking etc.


This from a league that has been around 95 years and can not determine what a catch is?
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#2011007 - 04/29/15 05:26 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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It has gotten out of hand with some of these rules and the replay [censored]-when you can and when you can't challenge a play. Make it simple. 2 challenges per half per team on anything. Catch, fumble, penalty, whatever.
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#2011021 - 04/29/15 05:54 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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Pulling people out of the ditc...
better yet, no challenges...worked for 85+ years...deal with it. A 60-minute game takes on average 3:35 to play, with a total of 9 minutes of action...boring...
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#2012451 - 05/06/15 05:28 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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This just in.... the NFL finds that the Pats purposely deflated the balls and Brady was aware. http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2015/05/06/nfl-finds-patriots-employees-probably-deflated-balls/
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#2012452 - 05/06/15 05:28 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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just in time for the draft to be over (shocked)
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#2012456 - 05/06/15 05:31 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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Yeah they left the wording so vague as to basically give the Pats an out but recognize that they pretty much know they did it. Nothing like having your super bowl winners be cheaters yet again. I also highly doubt that employees were doing it, and Brady knew, yet Bill didn't.
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#2012461 - 05/06/15 05:36 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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Patriots owner Robert Kraft issued an immediate response, saying the organization is disappointed by the report, which lacked "any incontrovertible or hard evidence of deliberate deflation of footballs

Well of course there is no hard evidence it was deflated

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl...colts/22216585/
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#2012475 - 05/06/15 06:00 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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The Email asking for the balls to be deflated was on a private server. ^_-
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#2012488 - 05/06/15 06:14 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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Since it is a pig skin is it possible that they worked for peta and were tiring to release it into the wild?
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#2012509 - 05/06/15 06:45 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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NFL Nation reporter Dan Graziano says there is a "mountain of circumstantial evidence" regarding Tom Brady's probably involvement with deflating footballs, including text messages between the QB and Patriots' staffers.

So my question becomes, why is Tom not receiving punishment? Kick him and his feminine hands out of the NFL. The NFL does not need guys who cannot hold onto a real football.
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#2012512 - 05/06/15 06:47 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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they will give him a small token fine and hire his wife for a billboard at twice that amount.
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#2012521 - 05/06/15 07:00 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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Gotta say I'm highly disappointed in the probably fact that Brady did know about this and it was done at his pressuring. Also appears that the two equipment managers are highly culpable. I'm glad the rest of the organization does seem to be exonerated though. Very disappointing. Not going to make any excuses. The text messages between the equipment managers are pretty clear what was happening.
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#2012526 - 05/06/15 07:10 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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•Before the start of the season, McNally referred to himself as "the deflator" in a series of text messages between himself and Jastremski and warned that he was "not going to espn........yet."

"Nice dude....jimmy needs some kicks....lets make a deal.....come on help the deflator," McNally wrote.

On Jan. 10, immediately prior to the game between the Patriots and the Ravens, in the Patriots equipment room with both Brady and Jastremski present, McNally received two footballs autographed by Brady and also had Brady autograph a game-worn Patriots jersey that McNally previously had obtained," according to the report.
https://www.bostonherald.com/news_opinio...ve_a_big_needle


does anyone find it odd that the coach and front office was cleared instead of given the no evidence of wrong doing by coach and staff head office...?
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#2012565 - 05/06/15 07:54 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) RVFlyboy
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Pulling people out of the ditc...
Originally Posted By BeechFlyboy
Gotta say...pretty clear what was happening.


you can say his about nearly anything cheating related and the Patriots, as recent history has shown...and the NFL turning deaf, dumb, and blind to their actions...
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#2012567 - 05/06/15 07:56 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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Pulling people out of the ditc...
I suppose those who were on here vehemently denying any cheating by the Patriots will be offering apologies and buying round of drinks in the virtual cooler this Friday... eek
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#2012570 - 05/06/15 08:00 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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but it is clear that the Pats did not cheat only a low level equipment guy and the bath room attendant.
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#2012602 - 05/06/15 08:41 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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Has any hard evidence actually been released? This sounds all to similar to the first round of accusations regarding this, when it was all talk with nothing substantial against them. It's great to say you have "a mountain of circumstantial evidence", but it's far better to actually show us what you've got. I'll probably be eating my words big time if/when it comes out, but this sounds like another witch hunt to me.

It also kind of sounds like the whole college football situation with bribes/college players getting paid/various scandals regarding eligibility. I'm in complete agreement that it ruins the integrity of the game and I'm not about that at all, however it's something that everyone does, but until you start winning too much nobody looks into it. When was the last investigation that was done on the Raiders?!

Disclaimer : I am a big Patriots fan. Don't hate us 'cuz you ain't us!
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#2012616 - 05/06/15 08:53 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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but not everyone does it.

some tamper
some play with noise lever
some place bounties (or not)
some use PEDs
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#2012631 - 05/06/15 09:23 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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with what is coming out now any reasonable person would believe that Brady ordered the code red and that Wells is no Tom Cruise or Demi Moore for that matter.
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#2012632 - 05/06/15 09:24 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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