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#2014893 - 05/19/15 02:11 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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Former Patriots tackle Matt Light is doing something very creative with the whole deflategate circus for the good of his charitable foundation - www.inflationnationraffle.com
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#2014899 - 05/19/15 02:20 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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"If ya ain't cheatin', ya ain't trying"

Everyone tries to get an advantage vs. their opponent, whether it's deflating balls, pumping in crowd noise, or steroids. As long as you have competition, you're going to have cheating. The Patriots were just the ones that were caught.
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#2014902 - 05/19/15 02:31 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) RVFlyboy
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Former Patriots tackle Matt Light is doing something very creative with the whole deflategate circus for the good of his charitable foundation - www.inflationnationraffle.com


appears to be a worthy cause and a novel approach. see I do not hate on the patriots
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#2014903 - 05/19/15 02:33 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) TMatt87
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"If ya ain't cheatin', ya ain't trying"

Everyone tries to get an advantage vs. their opponent, whether it's deflating balls, pumping in crowd noise, or steroids. As long as you have competition, you're going to have cheating. The Patriots were just the ones that were caught.


I still do not believe that everyone in the NFL has no integrity, See beach post above.
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#2014906 - 05/19/15 02:36 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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I can prove it, look up NFL integrity and the first post is

http://www.sportsintegrity.com/football-nfl/

A site trying to sell you junk cry
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#2014916 - 05/19/15 03:05 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) RVFlyboy
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Pulling people out of the ditc...
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was the admission made during or following his playing career?
Why does it matter? Doesn't it still tarnish his legacy, and bring into question all his stats and Super Bowl wins?


certainly it matters as it relates to the current game. While it may tarnish his legacy, it has no impact on the next game the 49ers play. If Brady was retired and came out in 2 years and said "hey, I told the equipment guy to deflate the balls in 2014" that has a huge difference over "the nfl has found that brady was involved in the deflation of balls last season in a playoff win."

certainly you are able to discern the difference, no?
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#2014931 - 05/19/15 03:28 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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Pulling people out of the ditc...
not sure if Art Donovan is still alive, he is an old player from the 50s...used to go on the old talk shows at night and discuss how the NFL was full of cheaters when he played...his stories were hilarious...like how he used to put thumbtacks on his shoulder pads facing out so anyone trying to block him would get cut up...and punching players while in the pile...biting...gouging eyes...you name it, I think they did it at some point...
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#2014932 - 05/19/15 03:28 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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Originally Posted By HappyGilmore
Originally Posted By BeechFlyboy
Originally Posted By HappyGilmore
was the admission made during or following his playing career?
Why does it matter? Doesn't it still tarnish his legacy, and bring into question all his stats and Super Bowl wins?


certainly it matters as it relates to the current game. While it may tarnish his legacy, it has no impact on the next game the 49ers play. If Brady was retired and came out in 2 years and said "hey, I told the equipment guy to deflate the balls in 2014" that has a huge difference over "the nfl has found that brady was involved in the deflation of balls last season in a playoff win."

certainly you are able to discern the difference, no?
SoundTactic made the statement that Brady's cheating actions tarnish his reputation, his statistics, all his Super Bowl wins. Sox said you could say the same thing about Jerry Rice's cheating actions - that if what is said about Brady is true, then it should be true about Jerry Rice too. I don't see where the timing of any determination of guilt has any impact on whether there is tarnish to reputation, statistics and Super Bowl wins.
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#2014955 - 05/19/15 04:11 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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Pulling people out of the ditc...
1. I cheated, but I no longer play

2. I cheated, and still play

which has the greater opportunity to impact the game moving forward? the cheater who no longer plays, or the cheater who still plays?

both their reputations are tarnished...but only one can impact the game
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#2014957 - 05/19/15 04:15 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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Rice tarnished his reputation as all balls caught by him is suspect.

The pats rep is tarnished as all ball thrown, caught, rushed is now suspect as the ball itself was altered Underinflated balls are easier to catch pass and hold by the entire team even if the other teammates did not know about it,
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#2014960 - 05/19/15 04:18 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) edAudit
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Originally Posted By edAudit
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"If ya ain't cheatin', ya ain't trying"

Everyone tries to get an advantage vs. their opponent, whether it's deflating balls, pumping in crowd noise, or steroids. As long as you have competition, you're going to have cheating. The Patriots were just the ones that were caught.


I still do not believe that everyone in the NFL has no integrity, See beach post above.


That's like saying there are politicians with integrity. Sure, there might be some, but they are becoming harder to find.
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#2014962 - 05/19/15 04:20 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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Missing prior to Wells report

Ball will be take out of the box and inflated/deflated to 13.5 psi by officials and kept under the control of officials the entire game. Same ball for both sided until worn out.

Done.
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#2014983 - 05/19/15 05:24 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) RVFlyboy
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Originally Posted By BeechFlyboy
Originally Posted By HappyGilmore
Originally Posted By BeechFlyboy
Originally Posted By HappyGilmore
was the admission made during or following his playing career?
Why does it matter? Doesn't it still tarnish his legacy, and bring into question all his stats and Super Bowl wins?


certainly it matters as it relates to the current game. While it may tarnish his legacy, it has no impact on the next game the 49ers play. If Brady was retired and came out in 2 years and said "hey, I told the equipment guy to deflate the balls in 2014" that has a huge difference over "the nfl has found that brady was involved in the deflation of balls last season in a playoff win."

certainly you are able to discern the difference, no?
SoundTactic made the statement that Brady's cheating actions tarnish his reputation, his statistics, all his Super Bowl wins. Sox said you could say the same thing about Jerry Rice's cheating actions - that if what is said about Brady is true, then it should be true about Jerry Rice too. I don't see where the timing of any determination of guilt has any impact on whether there is tarnish to reputation, statistics and Super Bowl wins.


Deflecting blame is not an excuse. I am not discussing Jerry Rice. Nor is anyone but you.
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#2015000 - 05/19/15 06:00 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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http://nypost.com/2015/05/19/kraft-and-goodell-hug-at-party-as-deflategate-thaw-begins/

Pssssssssssh. That’s the sound of the hot air being let out of the Patriots’ post-Deflategate posturing.

Patriots owner Robert Kraft announced Tuesday the team will not appeal the punishment handed down by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell last week for using under-inflated footballs during the AFC Championship game in January.

EDIT

Quarterback Tom Brady remains free to pursue an appeal of his personal suspension for the first four games of the season, filed with the backing of the players’ union.
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#2015090 - 05/19/15 11:31 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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That's the sound of a businessman realizing where the source of his billions of dollars come from.
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#2015107 - 05/20/15 12:06 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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..... or knowledge of the greater guilt.
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#2015122 - 05/20/15 01:24 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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Pulling people out of the ditc...
likely both
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#2015124 - 05/20/15 01:27 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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http://www.forbes.com/teams/new-england-patriots/

2.600 M

wondering why they are number 2 behind the cowboys.
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#2015128 - 05/20/15 01:30 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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Pulling people out of the ditc...
cowboys are "America's team", which goes back to the Tom Landry/Roger Staubach days, when there was integrity in football...they ignore the fact that Jerry Jones is a d-bag and hope the cowboys will one day return to greatness...

i'm more curious how a team like the Redskins, those racist native American haters, can be ranked 3rd...
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#2015132 - 05/20/15 01:36 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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Landry Played for the Giants (all players were/are cheaters)

Stabbach owns a NASCAR team so he must be a cheater (and above).
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#2015160 - 05/20/15 02:40 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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#2015172 - 05/20/15 03:04 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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#2015173 - 05/20/15 03:08 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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cowboys are "America's team", which goes back to the Tom Landry/Roger Staubach days, when there was integrity in football....


You didn't see North Dallas Forty?
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#2015176 - 05/20/15 03:16 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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That would have been don Meredith and not Staubach
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#2015182 - 05/20/15 03:42 PM Re: More NFL Cheaters (not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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