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#2030381 - 07/29/15 12:47 PM Re: More Cheaters (really not the Patriots this time) TB 12
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I agree the union shouldn't whine about something they agreed to in the CBA.


See we can agree on something's.

This nonsense of all pro sports going to waste taxpayer money on court cases is out of hand.
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#2030382 - 07/29/15 12:48 PM Re: More Cheaters (really not the Patriots this time) Sound Tactic
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Originally Posted By Sound Tactic
I love how it is now a fact that Brady tried to destroy evidence. Not withhold evidence, but destroy it. This must be the act of an innocent party. I once heard a law enforcement psychologist say that the innocent become angry when wrongfully accused. The innocent do not try to destroy the evidence.

Anyone who would be proud of this guy or his championships (especially this one) must be a supporter of cheating. Any lesser player (IE not the face of a franchise) would be banned from the league for tarnishing the integrity of the game.
Shemp, you sound like an idiot when you spew this stuff that you expect everyone else to accept as gospel. Let's address this point by point.

Destroy evidence - who says the phone is "evidence"? The NFL has no legal rights to the phone, so how can it be "evidence"? And who says that the things on that phone that Brady didn't want to be accessed by any unauthorized individuals have ANYTHING to do with football at all. He is a multi-millionaire celebrity, married to an multi-millionaire international superstar model celebrity. There couldn't possibly be anything on his phone that he wouldn't want anyone not within his control to see except some texts about footballs, right?

Become angry - who says Brady hasn't become angry? I've seen plenty of articles of those around Tom talking about how upset he is about how this process has played out.

Must be a supporter of cheating - says who? Just because you think it doesn't make it so.

Any lesser player (IE not the face of a franchise) would be banned... - There have been several "face of a franchise" players that have been banned when sufficient proof was provided. You might want to Google Paul Hornung and Alex Karras. Or Alex Rodriguez. Or Pete Rose.

The NFL's masterful PR department knows that all they had to do was leak the story "Brady destroyed his phone" without any additional details of why and what his practices had always been and what he had shared with them about efforts to help still track down text messages and the court of public opinion would readily jump to the conclusion that he must have been trying to cover up evidence. I, for one, will wait to see how this comes out in federal court rather than in the court of public opinion.

And, for the record, I am proud of Brady and his accomplishments and his championships, but I am most certainly not a supporter of cheating.
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#2030383 - 07/29/15 12:50 PM Re: More Cheaters (really not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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Pulling people out of the ditc...
and other than creating fodder for many, this really has no bearing on anything real world.

will people stop watching football? nope
will people stop loving the Patriots? nope
will people stop hating the patriots? nope
will people move from loving to hating the patriots? nope
will footballs ratings drop? nope
will Goodell look like he is the right executive to lead this organization? nope
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#2030385 - 07/29/15 12:57 PM Re: More Cheaters (really not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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Most importantly, I have never written, texted, emailed to anybody at anytime, anything related to football air pressure before this issue was raised at the AFC Championship game in January.

There you have it a confession note the word BEFORE. The cover-up after the fact is worse than the crime (if we can call this a crime with a straight face)
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#2030387 - 07/29/15 01:02 PM Re: More Cheaters (really not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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I will not allow my unfair discipline to become a precedent for other NFL players without a fight.

he is nice I change my mind he is just trying to protect other players who cheat in the future.
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#2030389 - 07/29/15 01:04 PM Re: More Cheaters (really not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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Originally Posted By HappyGilmore
and other than creating fodder for many, this really has no bearing on anything real world.

will people stop watching football? nope
will people stop loving the Patriots? nope
will people stop hating the patriots? nope
will people move from loving to hating the patriots? nope
will footballs ratings drop? nope
will Goodell look like he is the right executive to lead this organization? nope

Amen!
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#2030391 - 07/29/15 01:07 PM Re: More Cheaters (really not the Patriots this time) edAudit
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Originally Posted By TB 12
I agree the union shouldn't whine about something they agreed to in the CBA.


See we can agree on something's.




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#2030392 - 07/29/15 01:08 PM Re: More Cheaters (really not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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I thought you came back to Brady's corner.
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#2030395 - 07/29/15 01:21 PM Re: More Cheaters (really not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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"How many times do I have to say it? ... Well, if it can't be any clearer than `I've never taken drugs,'"

"We're sick and tired of these allegations and we're going to do everything we can to fight them. They're absolutely untrue" –

"At the end of the day, I have nothing to hide," –

"I have never doped"

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#2030398 - 07/29/15 01:24 PM Re: More Cheaters (really not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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So because Lance was dishonest, it must mean Tom is being dishonest?
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#2030401 - 07/29/15 01:27 PM Re: More Cheaters (really not the Patriots this time) edAudit
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Originally Posted By edAudit
I thought you came back to Brady's corner.


It isn't that- I didn't understand the portion of the post I quoted.
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#2030402 - 07/29/15 01:29 PM Re: More Cheaters (really not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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Pulling people out of the ditc...
Ed, in case you were not aware, every time Lance said that, he had his fingers crossed, so it didn't count.
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#2030403 - 07/29/15 01:30 PM Re: More Cheaters (really not the Patriots this time) RVFlyboy
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Pulling people out of the ditc...
Originally Posted By BeechFlyboy
So because Lance was dishonest, it must mean Tom is being dishonest?


I think it is the old "if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck..."
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#2030405 - 07/29/15 01:33 PM Re: More Cheaters (really not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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I agree the union shouldn't whine about something they agreed to in the CBA.

CBA, Art. 46, § 1(a); id., App. A, ¶ 15. Grants Goodall the ability to discipline players.
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#2030407 - 07/29/15 01:34 PM Re: More Cheaters (really not the Patriots this time) RVFlyboy
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Originally Posted By BeechFlyboy
So because Lance was dishonest, it must mean Tom is being dishonest?


nope Just relying on what is said by a multimillionaire sports figure is not always true.
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#2030416 - 07/29/15 01:47 PM Re: More Cheaters (really not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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I don't disagree. Nor is everything said by a multi-billion dollar enterprise (NFL) true - shall I start digging up some Enron quotes?
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#2030419 - 07/29/15 01:51 PM Re: More Cheaters (really not the Patriots this time) RVFlyboy
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Originally Posted By BeechFlyboy
I don't disagree. Nor is everything said by a multi-billion dollar enterprise (NFL) true - shall I start digging up some Enron quotes?


it may be better to quote some of the power companies as they too are "unregulated" monopolies laugh
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#2030422 - 07/29/15 01:57 PM Re: More Cheaters (really not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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What is with all these public figures destroying there electronics and then saying it has nothing to do with the fact an investigation was requesting to look at said electronics?

Once that happens no matter how clean you are you now look dirty.
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#2030427 - 07/29/15 02:11 PM Re: More Cheaters (really not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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Naah Wolfy.

Not if you're a Superbowl winner with a fan club.
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#2030431 - 07/29/15 02:14 PM Re: More Cheaters (really not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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In today's TMZ fueled media world, I can't blame Brady for destroying a phone that people were vying to get their hands on and that destruction wouldn't have anything to do with football texts. Brady and his lawyers are smart enough to know that the phone destruction would look bad in the court of public opinion. My gut says there was something on that phone that would have been even more reputation damaging than the conclusions drawn. My gut also says that whatever it is, there is a good chance it has nothing to do with footballs.
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#2030433 - 07/29/15 02:17 PM Re: More Cheaters (really not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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Why I'm sure I couldn't blame Brady.
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#2030435 - 07/29/15 02:20 PM Re: More Cheaters (really not the Patriots this time) RVFlyboy
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Originally Posted By BeechFlyboy
In today's TMZ fueled media world, I can't blame Brady for destroying a phone that people were vying to get their hands on and that destruction wouldn't have anything to do with football texts. Brady and his lawyers are smart enough to know that the phone destruction would look bad in the court of public opinion. My gut says there was something on that phone that would have been even more reputation damaging than the conclusions drawn. My gut also says that whatever it is, there is a good chance it has nothing to do with footballs.



so you are saying that he was cheating but not with a deflated football?
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#2030439 - 07/29/15 02:23 PM Re: More Cheaters (really not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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Patriot Press Conference happening now on ESPN radio...for those who care.
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#2030441 - 07/29/15 02:26 PM Re: More Cheaters (really not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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what are they saying? We can not stream here.
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#2030442 - 07/29/15 02:28 PM Re: More Cheaters (really not the Patriots this time) HappyGilmore
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To quote Bill...
1. "We are just trying to get the team ready for the season"
2. "That has already been addressed"

Repeat 1 and 2.
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