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#206198 - 06/30/04 07:56 PM RESPA - Section 8 - Realtor & Buyer bonuses
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Sorry.....gotta do this one anonymously.......

I hate Section 8!! And this smells of it!

IYO, would it be OK to do the following......
  • Pair each lending representative with 4 or 5 realtors, of their choice, to work with.
  • For each closed loan with a "chosen" realtor, home buyer receives $250 gift certificate.
  • Each realtor that closes a loan receives a $25 gift certficate.


Whad'ya think?

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#206199 - 06/30/04 07:58 PM Re: RESPA - Section 8 - Realtor & Buyer bonuses
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Sounds like a thing of value to me. As a realtor myself, I wouldn't accept the gift certificate. As a banker also, I wouldn't give the gift certificate. Just my thoughts.

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#206200 - 06/30/04 08:01 PM Re: RESPA - Section 8 - Realtor & Buyer bonuses
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Smells pretty strong to me.
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#206201 - 06/30/04 09:15 PM Re: RESPA - Section 8 - Realtor & Buyer bonuses
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I inquired about this in more detail from the person here at my bank who wants to do this.

In this case, the bank would be paying the realtor $25 for a referral.

An unnamed big national bank is doing this very thing!!
This is a prime example of the headaches that compliance professionals have to deal with. i.e. "well, so-and-so is doing it. Why can't we?" (whining tone of voice....like a child).

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#206202 - 06/30/04 09:19 PM Re: RESPA - Section 8 - Realtor & Buyer bonuses
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The other part of this scenario that bothers me is the Realtor that is willing to accept the referral fee. The same sanctions that can apply to banks violating section 8 can apply to the recipient of the illegal kick-back - in this instance, the Realtor.

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#206203 - 06/30/04 09:34 PM Re: RESPA - Section 8 - Realtor & Buyer bonuses
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OK.....so what does THIS mean?

3500.14
(g) Exemptions for fees, salaries, compensation, or other payments.
(1) The following are permissible:
(v) A payment pursuant to cooperative brokerage and referral arrangements or agreements between real estate agents and real estate brokers. (The statutory exemption restated in this paragraph refers only to fee divisions within real estate brokerage arrangements when all parties are acting in a real estate brokerage capacity, and has no applicability to any fee arrangements between real estate brokers and mortgage brokers or between mortgage brokers.)

RESPA is written in Greek, I think.

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#206204 - 06/30/04 09:58 PM Re: RESPA - Section 8 - Realtor & Buyer bonuses
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Quote:

An unnamed big national bank is doing this very thing!!




I recently heard that HUD has increased it's enforcement staff x 3, and that they're very interested in hearing about these things. They are apparently ready and willing to start putting a stop to the violations.
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#206205 - 07/01/04 06:56 AM Re: RESPA - Section 8 - Realtor & Buyer bonuses
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Quote:

OK.....so what does THIS mean?

3500.14
(g) Exemptions for fees, salaries, compensation, or other payments.
(1) The following are permissible:
(v) A payment pursuant to cooperative brokerage and referral arrangements or agreements between real estate agents and real estate brokers.



I would look at 3500.14(f) Referral.
(1) A referral includes includes any oral or written action directed to a person which has the effect of affirmatively influencing the selection by any person of a provider of a settlement service or business incident to or part of a settlement service when such person will pay for such settlement service or business incident thereto or pay a charge attributable in whole or in part to such settlement service or business.
(2) A referral also occurs whenever a person paying for a settlement service or business incident thereto is required to use (see Sec. 3500.2, ``required use'') a particular provider of a settlement service or business incident thereto.

3500.2 Definitions: Settlement service means any service provided in connection with a prospective or actual settlement, including, but not limited to, any one or more of the following:
(14) Rendering of services by a real estate agent or real estate broker;

Therefore, I would vote violates RESPA.
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#206206 - 07/01/04 12:34 PM Re: RESPA - Section 8 - Realtor & Buyer bonuses
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(The statutory exemption restated in this paragraph refers only to fee divisions within real estate brokerage arrangements when all parties are acting in a real estate brokerage capacity, and has no applicability to any fee arrangements between real estate brokers and mortgage brokers or between mortgage brokers.)




The exemption is between real estate brokers & realtors - not between real estate brokers & mortgage brokers. I read this to mean the banking industry is not in the loop to receive anything!
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