The horcrux could be something from Sirius' house, remember when Harry ran into that guy? He saw all the stuff that had been stolen.

Wasn't it Mudungus Fletcher that he ran into? He was part of the Order.

This conversation is worse than the "Lord of the Rings" threads from a few months ago!

i think in the 10 years between when we last see LV (after killing the old lady for the locket and cup) and when he shows up to DD's door, that he has completed almost all of the horecruxes... notice how harry describes him... almost blurry... his eyes are permently blood shot, but not the snake eyes they'll become... his nose is slit like. he's not the once handsome tom riddle... he has distorted his soul so much that he has physically begun to break down.
and in that meeting DD askes LV to tell him why he's really there, it has nothing to do with a teaching job and they both know it. so what had he come for? his final item to make the 7th horecrux?

Mud was a memeber of the order... not because he was a noble person but because he knew all kinds of folks in the underworld if you will... he's their huggy bear :P
i wonder what DD's brother was trying to buy from Mud... (DD's brother is the barman at hogs head... that's why, when he tells LV who all is waiting for him at the bar, he says something like it helps to know the barman.)

I agree with skye - I think all the horcruxes (or possibly all but one) were completed in those 10 years. Even though DD says that it would be inadvisable to use an animal as a horcrux, I think that LV's snakelike appearance points to Nagini as a definite.

I'm still confused about the number 7. When he mentions to Slughorn that 7 would be the perfect number of horcruxes, does he mean splitting his soul into a total of 7 pieces (including himself), or does he mean 7 horcruxes in addition to himself?

I think he meant 7 total, including himself because while he is still alive, he has a soul.

I think my semantics are off - can he himself BE a horcrux? He specifically mentioned 7 horcruxes. I'm questioning whether or not he himself counts as one.

actually he mentions the #7 and then is interrupted by slughorn... so we can't be sure if he meant 7 total (with him) or what would be 8 pieces (7 horcurx and himself) i think it is the former... he must always keep one piece within himself, so that would be #7 working backwards.
#6: nagini- snake (which on a reread, DD thinks was done when LV killed frank bryce (Goblet)
#5: ?
#4: hufflepuff cup
#3: locket
#2: ring
#1: diary

I was surprised and disappointed that Neville took such a back seat in book 6. He had such an important part in 5 and was mentioned in the prophesy. I expected a lot more of him, with his new wand and all the confidence he had gained in book 5, but instead they made him into a third rate character like Luna Lovegood.

I know Neville is pure-blood. Is Luna Lovegood pure-blood?

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#5: ?
#4: hufflepuff cup
#3: locket
#2: ring
#1: diary

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skye2477,

I think the diary has to be book #2 and the locket has to be book #5 as they were mentioned in those books. I would put the ring in book #6 as that is were it is first mentioned. Nagini the snake I think is first mentioned in book 4.

So this is what I see:

Book 1
Book 2 Book
Book 3
Book 4 Nagini- snake
Book 5 locket
book 6 Ring
Book 7 LV

So the Hufflepuff cup has to be mentioned in book 1 or 3

no no i meant the order they were created... not the books they come from.

I think Michelle is doing it by book because JK said that one horcrux is introduced in each book. I'm rereading 1 right now looking for just that.

Note: JK's writing style has sure come a long way from book 1. I get the feeling of tippytoes reading 1 compared to the way she wrote 6.

somehow I got logged out. The last is mine.

Here are my guesses:

SS - Voldemort on Quirrell's head (not a horcrux but actual 1/7 of Voldemort)
Chamber - Diary (destroyed)
Azkaban - ?
Goblet of Fire - Nagini ?
Phoenix - Locket (?)
HBP - Ring (destroyed)
Book 7 - Hufflepuff cup?

Two are definitely destroyed and we don't know about the locket yet. So looks like Harry has three or four to find and destroy before taking on Voldemort. (Lots of action for Book 7.) I think DD told Harry in HBP that he had 4 to find.

And if memory serves (Ha!) I think DD told Harry in P of Azkaban that he will be glad he spared Wormtail's life one day, so maybe Wormtail will be instrumental in Harry's success.

Got to read Azkaban again. I hate not being able to figure something out.

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SS - Voldemort on Quirrell's head (not a horcrux but actual 1/7 of Voldemort)

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Donna, I was thinking about that this morning! I finished rereading SS yesterday and started CoS last night. I was specifically looking for anything that could possibly point to a horcrux, and the disembodied LV is the only thing I could come up with. Hagrid's comment of, "Don't know if there's enough human left in him to die" would support that theory, I think. We know that LV was a trophy hunter and that he hid his trophies in places that carried some sort of sentimental value (if we can call it that) for him, so I think we'll see Harry have to visit some places from LV's past.

Re: Wormtail - do you think that DD meant that by sparing his life Harry was preserving his own soul? He makes it very clear in all the books that Harry's primary weapon/defense against LV is his capability to love, and in HBP we learn that killing another person damages your soul. Would the damage done by killing Wormtail have weakened him against LV?

Is it possible that Wormtail's new hand is a horcrux? He had just killed Cedric...just a thought

Blind Guardian, the reason HP has to go back to his Aunt and Uncle is because at birth a charm was put on their house that protects Harry, it's in book 5 (I just reread it, can't believe how much I forgot). Anywas Harry has to reside there for a while each year for the protection to take place. In book 6 when his uncle wants to throw him out remember DD (Ithink) comes and talks to the aunt and she tells the uncle that HP is staying. Thats because she was reminded of the charm and her vowing to allow HP to live there until he turned 17.

My theory on Snape is also that he was in love with Lily. I too remember when James and Sirius are torturing him and Lily stops them--even though Snape, I believe made a nasty comment to Lily. That is why I believe DD thought Snape's repetence and regret were genuine--his actions led to the death of the woman he loved. Also remember that Voldemort offered to spare Lily? Why? Why would someone as psycho as V care if he spared Lily? Not sure why V would care at all, but if he knew Snape had some affection for her? I think Snape killed DD on DD's own orders--and yes, DD charmed Harry so that HP wouldn't interfere--DD knew what was coming.

I also think it was very significant that Snape didn't harm anyone else from the Order or the school. Also remember as he was leaving, he made pointed comments to Harry about his abilities as an occlumens and casting spells nonverbally; I believe these were hints, if you will, on areas Harry must master before he tackles LV. I think Snape was ordered by DD to help Harry kill LV when the time comes.

Since this all started as a children's story, I can't help but believe Harry will be successful in killing LV and he will survive. In the final book though, I'm sure some major characters will have to be killed off--I don't want to speculate on who. I hope not Ginny, Ron, or Hermione but Rowling is so full of twists and surprises, who knows?

And yes, I also think R.A.B. must be Regulus. The casual mention of him in Book 6 is almost a guarantee that he has a bigger role in book 7. Can't wait 2 years!

What about Harry's wand? They mentioned in the first books that only 2 wands were made of the same "stuff" and that they other belongs to a person that we do not speak of; Voldemort.

I wander how this is going to come into play.

And that "stuff" is a phoenix feather...maybe from Fawkes. The whole notion of phoenix and rising from the ashes causes one to ponder if HP too will "die" and rise again? It is, after all, magic.

i wonder about the wands too... perhaps as harry is going back to godric's hollow, he could find his mothers old wand (notice it was mentioned notonly in ss, but other times as well and it was good at charm work...)
i have just finished rereading HBP, very slowing so that i caught everything i could. i really, truly, and no one will convince me otherwise (unless JK does:( ), believe that snape is on our side... it all comes down to faith... faith in DD, faith in Snape, faith in Harry, another word for faith is trust... which is brought up many many time in HBP... the future of the wizarding world will rely on trust.

also go back and reread the scene with DD and Harry and the potion... what do you think DD is talking about? i think he is reliving or repeating some memory from the past... who's????

Where the heck is MountainHawk Jr when I need her? I still have this theory percolating that Harry might be a horcrux from when LV tried to kill him as a baby and apparently transferred some of his powers...

I've wondered if Fawkes provided the feathers for those wands, too.

Speaking of Fawkes - I think we'll see him come back to Harry in 7 with a very important role. In CoS, DD makes it a point to stress to Harry that phoenixes make "very faithful pets." Anyone else have thoughts on that?