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#489500 - 01/26/06 09:49 PM YOU FOLKS ARE BREAKING THE LAW! STOP IT!!!
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Annoying someone via the Internet is now a federal crime.

It's no joke. Last Thursday, President Bush signed into law a prohibition on posting annoying Web messages or sending annoying e-mail messages without disclosing your true identity.

In other words, it's OK to flame someone on a mailing list or in a blog as long as you do it under your real name. Thank Congress for small favors, I guess.

This ridiculous prohibition, which would likely imperil much of Usenet, is buried in the so-called Violence Against Women and Department of Justice Reauthorization Act. Criminal penalties include stiff fines and two years in prison.

"The use of the word 'annoy' is particularly problematic," says Marv Johnson, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union. "What's annoying to one person may not be annoying to someone else."

It's illegal to annoy

A new federal law states that when you annoy someone on the Internet, you must disclose your identity. Here's the relevant language.

"Whoever...utilizes any device or software that can be used to originate telecommunications or other types of communications that are transmitted, in whole or in part, by the Internet... without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any person...who receives the communications...shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than two years, or both."

Buried deep in the new law is Sec. 113, an innocuously titled bit called "Preventing Cyberstalking." It rewrites existing telephone harassment law to prohibit anyone from using the Internet "without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy."

To grease the rails for this idea, Sen. Arlen Specter, a Pennsylvania Republican, and the section's other sponsors slipped it into an unrelated, must-pass bill to fund the Department of Justice. The plan: to make it politically infeasible for politicians to oppose the measure.

The tactic worked. The bill cleared the House of Representatives by voice vote, and the Senate unanimously approved it Dec. 16.

There's an interesting side note. An earlier version that the House approved in September had radically different wording. It was reasonable by comparison, and criminalized only using an "interactive computer service" to cause someone "substantial emotional harm."

That kind of prohibition might make sense. But why should merely annoying someone be illegal?

There are perfectly legitimate reasons to set up a Web site or write something incendiary without telling everyone exactly who you are.
A law meant to annoy?
FAQ: The new 'annoy' law explained
A practical guide to the new federal law that aims to outlaw certain types of annoying Web sites and e-mail.

Think about it: A woman fired by a manager who demanded sexual favors wants to blog about it without divulging her full name. An aspiring pundit hopes to set up the next Suck.com. A frustrated citizen wants to send e-mail describing corruption in local government without worrying about reprisals.

In each of those three cases, someone's probably going to be annoyed. That's enough to make the action a crime. (The Justice Department won't file charges in every case, of course, but trusting prosecutorial discretion is hardly reassuring.)

Clinton Fein, a San Francisco resident who runs the Annoy.com site, says a feature permitting visitors to send obnoxious and profane postcards through e-mail could be imperiled.

"Who decides what's annoying? That's the ultimate question," Fein said. He added: "If you send an annoying message via the United States Post Office, do you have to reveal your identity?"

Fein once sued to overturn part of the Communications Decency Act that outlawed transmitting indecent material "with intent to annoy." But the courts ruled the law applied only to obscene material, so Annoy.com didn't have to worry.

"I'm certainly not going to close the site down," Fein said on Friday. "I would fight it on First Amendment grounds."

He's right. Our esteemed politicians can't seem to grasp this simple point, but the First Amendment protects our right to write something that annoys someone else.

It even shields our right to do it anonymously. U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas defended this principle magnificently in a 1995 case involving an Ohio woman who was punished for distributing anonymous political pamphlets.

If President Bush truly believed in the principle of limited government (it is in his official bio), he'd realize that the law he signed cannot be squared with the Constitution he swore to uphold.

And then he'd repeat what President Clinton did a decade ago when he felt compelled to sign a massive telecommunications law. Clinton realized that the section of the law punishing abortion-related material on the Internet was unconstitutional, and he directed the Justice Department not to enforce it.

Bush has the chance to show his respect for what he calls Americans' personal freedoms. Now we'll see if the president rises to the occasion.

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#489501 - 01/26/06 09:53 PM Re: YOU FOLKS ARE BREAKING THE LAW! STOP IT!!!
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Quote:

Annoying someone via the Internet is now a federal crime.

It's no joke. Last Thursday, President Bush signed into law a prohibition on posting annoying Web messages or sending annoying e-mail messages without disclosing your true identity.

In other words, it's OK to flame someone on a mailing list or in a blog as long as you do it under your real name. Thank Congress for small favors, I guess.

This ridiculous prohibition, which would likely imperil much of Usenet, is buried in the so-called Violence Against Women and Department of Justice Reauthorization Act. Criminal penalties include stiff fines and two years in prison.

"The use of the word 'annoy' is particularly problematic," says Marv Johnson, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union. "What's annoying to one person may not be annoying to someone else."

It's illegal to annoy

A new federal law states that when you annoy someone on the Internet, you must disclose your identity. Here's the relevant language.

"Whoever...utilizes any device or software that can be used to originate telecommunications or other types of communications that are transmitted, in whole or in part, by the Internet... without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any person...who receives the communications...shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than two years, or both."

Buried deep in the new law is Sec. 113, an innocuously titled bit called "Preventing Cyberstalking." It rewrites existing telephone harassment law to prohibit anyone from using the Internet "without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy."

To grease the rails for this idea, Sen. Arlen Specter, a Pennsylvania Republican, and the section's other sponsors slipped it into an unrelated, must-pass bill to fund the Department of Justice. The plan: to make it politically infeasible for politicians to oppose the measure.

The tactic worked. The bill cleared the House of Representatives by voice vote, and the Senate unanimously approved it Dec. 16.

There's an interesting side note. An earlier version that the House approved in September had radically different wording. It was reasonable by comparison, and criminalized only using an "interactive computer service" to cause someone "substantial emotional harm."

That kind of prohibition might make sense. But why should merely annoying someone be illegal?

There are perfectly legitimate reasons to set up a Web site or write something incendiary without telling everyone exactly who you are.
A law meant to annoy?
FAQ: The new 'annoy' law explained
A practical guide to the new federal law that aims to outlaw certain types of annoying Web sites and e-mail.

Think about it: A woman fired by a manager who demanded sexual favors wants to blog about it without divulging her full name. An aspiring pundit hopes to set up the next Suck.com. A frustrated citizen wants to send e-mail describing corruption in local government without worrying about reprisals.

In each of those three cases, someone's probably going to be annoyed. That's enough to make the action a crime. (The Justice Department won't file charges in every case, of course, but trusting prosecutorial discretion is hardly reassuring.)

Clinton Fein, a San Francisco resident who runs the Annoy.com site, says a feature permitting visitors to send obnoxious and profane postcards through e-mail could be imperiled.

"Who decides what's annoying? That's the ultimate question," Fein said. He added: "If you send an annoying message via the United States Post Office, do you have to reveal your identity?"

Fein once sued to overturn part of the Communications Decency Act that outlawed transmitting indecent material "with intent to annoy." But the courts ruled the law applied only to obscene material, so Annoy.com didn't have to worry.

"I'm certainly not going to close the site down," Fein said on Friday. "I would fight it on First Amendment grounds."

He's right. Our esteemed politicians can't seem to grasp this simple point, but the First Amendment protects our right to write something that annoys someone else.

It even shields our right to do it anonymously. U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas defended this principle magnificently in a 1995 case involving an Ohio woman who was punished for distributing anonymous political pamphlets.

If President Bush truly believed in the principle of limited government (it is in his official bio), he'd realize that the law he signed cannot be squared with the Constitution he swore to uphold.

And then he'd repeat what President Clinton did a decade ago when he felt compelled to sign a massive telecommunications law. Clinton realized that the section of the law punishing abortion-related material on the Internet was unconstitutional, and he directed the Justice Department not to enforce it.

Bush has the chance to show his respect for what he calls Americans' personal freedoms. Now we'll see if the president rises to the occasion.




That's wayyyyy tooo much reading. Very annoying.
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#489502 - 01/26/06 09:55 PM Re: YOU FOLKS ARE BREAKING THE LAW! STOP IT!!!
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You took the time to read it? I couldn't do it. Skimmed and ditched to see the reply!!
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#489503 - 01/26/06 09:59 PM Re: YOU FOLKS ARE BREAKING THE LAW! STOP IT!!!
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Heck no I didn't read it. Too much work. lol
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#489504 - 01/26/06 10:04 PM Re: YOU FOLKS ARE BREAKING THE LAW! STOP IT!!!
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You are all:

shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than two years, or both."

P.S. I guess I will too.

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#489505 - 01/26/06 10:07 PM Re: YOU FOLKS ARE BREAKING THE LAW! STOP IT!!!
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Why didn't the original poster disclose his or her identity? Just wondering.
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#489506 - 01/26/06 10:09 PM Re: YOU FOLKS ARE BREAKING THE LAW! STOP IT!!!
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#489507 - 01/26/06 10:09 PM Re: YOU FOLKS ARE BREAKING THE LAW! STOP IT!!!
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Apparently to break this law.

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#489508 - 01/26/06 10:10 PM Re: YOU FOLKS ARE BREAKING THE LAW! STOP IT!!!
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Do you want to hear the most annoying sound in the world?


EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
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#489509 - 01/26/06 10:11 PM Re: YOU FOLKS ARE BREAKING THE LAW! STOP IT!!!
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You made me chuckle out loud on that one Mr. Peepers. Thanks.
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#489510 - 01/26/06 10:12 PM Re: YOU FOLKS ARE BREAKING THE LAW! STOP IT!!!
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YOU FOLKS ARE BREAKING THE LAW! STOP IT!!!




Didn't you know? I am a closet rebel.
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#489511 - 01/26/06 10:16 PM Re: YOU FOLKS ARE BREAKING THE LAW! STOP IT!!!
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Why didn't the original poster disclose his or her identity? Just wondering.




I don't want to go to jail, I've got the wife and tater tots to worry about.

Sincerely,

Mr. Potato Head (not my real name)

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#489512 - 01/26/06 10:18 PM Re: YOU FOLKS ARE BREAKING THE LAW! STOP IT!!!
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Gimmie your tots Napoleon.
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#489513 - 01/26/06 10:19 PM Re: YOU FOLKS ARE BREAKING THE LAW! STOP IT!!!
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i started to read then got bored and read some snibbets
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#489514 - 01/26/06 10:20 PM Re: YOU FOLKS ARE BREAKING THE LAW! STOP IT!!!
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#489515 - 01/26/06 10:23 PM Re: YOU FOLKS ARE BREAKING THE LAW! STOP IT!!!
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#489516 - 01/26/06 10:24 PM Re: YOU FOLKS ARE BREAKING THE LAW! STOP IT!!!
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You're all annoying, but the only one here who is annoying, but not going to jail under the new law is Stephen A. Hoogerhyde (if that's indeed his real name).

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#489517 - 01/26/06 10:28 PM Re: YOU FOLKS ARE BREAKING THE LAW! STOP IT!!!
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You can’t triple stamp a double stamp!




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#489518 - 01/26/06 10:32 PM Re: YOU FOLKS ARE BREAKING THE LAW! STOP IT!!!
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You're all annoying, but the only one here who is annoying, but not going to jail under the new law is Stephen A. Hoogerhyde (if that's indeed his real name).




And you, unless Unregistered is your real name.
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#489519 - 01/26/06 10:38 PM Re: YOU FOLKS ARE BREAKING THE LAW! STOP IT!!!
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Quote:

Quote:

You're all annoying, but the only one here who is annoying, but not going to jail under the new law is Stephen A. Hoogerhyde (if that's indeed his real name).




And you, unless Unregistered is your real name.




Come get me!

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#489520 - 01/26/06 11:03 PM Re: YOU FOLKS ARE BREAKING THE LAW! STOP IT!!!
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You are all:

shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than two years, or both."

P.S. I guess I will too.




I think you mean: "All your base are belong to us."

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#489521 - 01/27/06 12:39 PM Re: YOU FOLKS ARE BREAKING THE LAW! STOP IT!!!
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You're all annoying, but the only one here who is annoying, but not going to jail under the new law is Stephen A. Hoogerhyde (if that's indeed his real name).




Steve isn't annoying, you twit.
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#489522 - 01/27/06 01:10 PM Re: YOU FOLKS ARE BREAKING THE LAW! STOP IT!!!
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Quote:

Quote:

You're all annoying, but the only one here who is annoying, but not going to jail under the new law is Stephen A. Hoogerhyde (if that's indeed his real name).




Steve isn't annoying, you twit.




Now, you're annoying too. Try to keep up here, this is all in good fun, you twitess.

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#489523 - 01/27/06 01:18 PM Re: YOU FOLKS ARE BREAKING THE LAW! STOP IT!!!
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Mock
yea
Ing
yea
Bird
yea.............

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#489524 - 01/27/06 01:59 PM Re: YOU FOLKS ARE BREAKING THE LAW! STOP IT!!!
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I may annoy a lot of people here but it requires the INTENT to annoy. And I would say that annoy in this sense means more than just to frustrate. Additionally, you have to target individuals, not just some anonymous entity (Ron Mexico for example).

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