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#499463 - 02/15/06 07:59 PM Thus it begins??
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#499464 - 02/15/06 08:06 PM Re: Thus it begins??
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You mean we don't like faith-based republican forms of government?

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#499465 - 02/15/06 08:10 PM Re: Thus it begins??
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Here we go again. Everyone has to be just like us. Assimilate or we send in the troops.

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#499466 - 02/15/06 08:18 PM Re: Thus it begins??
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Bring on the whores! Oops, wrong thread.
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#499467 - 02/15/06 08:20 PM Re: Thus it begins??
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OK, that settles it. I'm putting Pirate in charge of the USO for our next military adventure!

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#499468 - 02/15/06 08:23 PM Re: Thus it begins??
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You mean we don't like faith-based republican forms of government?




We just like Christian Theocracies vs. Islamic Theocracies

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#499469 - 02/15/06 08:27 PM Re: Thus it begins??
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OK, that settles it. I'm putting Pirate in charge of the USO for our next military adventure!


As long as I can bring Henry Rollins with me too.
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#499470 - 02/15/06 08:27 PM Re: Thus it begins??
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You mean we don't like faith-based republican forms of government?




We just like Christian Theocracies vs. Islamic Theocracies



we're getting awfully picky...."you ought to be a democracy" "Well, OK, but you voted in people we don't like, so it doesn't count."
or in Haiti's case, "You want to have a democracy? Very nice, let me know how that works out for you. You want help with it? No, we don't do that sort of work. Try the UN."

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#499471 - 02/15/06 08:29 PM Re: Thus it begins??
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OK, that settles it. I'm putting Pirate in charge of the USO for our next military adventure!


As long as I can bring Henry Rollins with me too.




Knew I picked the right guy! Carry on with your bad self!

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#499472 - 02/15/06 08:29 PM Re: Thus it begins??
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I do not see what is wrong with promoting democracy? Do you?

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#499473 - 02/15/06 08:31 PM Re: Thus it begins??
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Well, to start democracy, don't you have to have a Leader that doesn't lie and cuts down cherry trees?
Oh, and Mel Gibson in 'The Patriot'!

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#499474 - 02/15/06 08:41 PM Re: Thus it begins??
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I love Henry Rollins.
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#499475 - 02/15/06 08:44 PM Re: Thus it begins??
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I do not see what is wrong with promoting democracy? Do you?




Well, no. But it is a little tedious to promote democracy to a country whose population already votes to elect a president, a parliament, and an "Assembly of Experts". Perhaps we'll promote democracy to Great Britain while we're at it....

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#499476 - 02/15/06 09:14 PM Re: Thus it begins??
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I do not see what is wrong with promoting democracy? Do you?




Well, no. But it is a little tedious to promote democracy to a country whose population already votes to elect a president, a parliament, and an "Assembly of Experts". Perhaps we'll promote democracy to Great Britain while we're at it....




Why don't we start promoting democracy in the U.S.?

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#499477 - 02/15/06 09:18 PM Re: Thus it begins??
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I do not see what is wrong with promoting democracy? Do you?




Well, no. But it is a little tedious to promote democracy to a country whose population already votes to elect a president, a parliament, and an "Assembly of Experts". Perhaps we'll promote democracy to Great Britain while we're at it....




Why don't we start promoting democracy in the U.S.?




That's a novel idea.

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#499478 - 02/15/06 09:19 PM Re: Thus it begins??
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I do not see what is wrong with promoting democracy? Do you?




Well, no. But it is a little tedious to promote democracy to a country whose population already votes to elect a president, a parliament, and an "Assembly of Experts". Perhaps we'll promote democracy to Great Britain while we're at it....




Why don't we start promoting democracy in the U.S.?



chancellor palpatine has dissolved the senate

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#499479 - 02/15/06 09:19 PM Re: Thus it begins??
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That's just crazy talk... I guess someone forgot their pill this morning. Take it and then fall back in line!
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#499480 - 02/15/06 09:22 PM Re: Thus it begins??
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Henry Rollins for president

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#499481 - 02/15/06 09:25 PM Re: Thus it begins??
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#499482 - 02/15/06 09:26 PM Re: Thus it begins??
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I think he's a hottie.




I agree.

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#499483 - 02/15/06 09:36 PM Re: Thus it begins??
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Henry Rollins for president



or, George Clinton, for 1 nation united in the funk!

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#499484 - 02/15/06 09:37 PM Re: Thus it begins??
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Gotta love the funk

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#499485 - 02/16/06 12:41 AM Re: Thus it begins??
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it is a little tedious to promote democracy to a country whose population already votes to elect a president, a parliament, and an "Assembly of Experts". Perhaps we'll promote democracy to Great Britain while we're at it....




Well, I spy something tedious - but it's not promoting democracy in Iran.

I mean, can you believe we had the nerve to suggest that the Soviets weren't exactly allowing their people to "vote" when they controlled who was on the ballot? Or Saddam - didn't he win re-election by a 99 to 1 margin the last time?

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#499486 - 02/16/06 01:07 AM Re: Thus it begins??
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I would encourage anyone who believes that Iran is a democracy to read the Freedom House report on that country at http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=15&year=2005.

Of particular note from that report:

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The constitution drafted by Kohmeini's disciples provided for a president and parliament elected through universal adult suffrage, but non-elected institutions controlled by hard-line clerics were empowered to approve electoral candidates and certify that the decisions of elected officials are in accord with Sharia (Islamic law). ... The February 2004 parliamentary elections marked a watershed in the country's political regression. Prior to the elections, the Council of Guardians rejected the candidacies of over 2,000 reformist politicians, including scores of incumbent deputies, while the government-backed Ansar-i Hezbollah and Basij vigilante groups "repeatedly attacked political gatherings" of the opposition, according to the U.S. State Department's annual report on human rights practices. Consequently, hard-liners won the overwhelming majority of seats in an election marked by a record-low turnout.




Not that those elections really mattered, anyway - the unelected clerics control what Parliament does, they shut down newspapers that publish information they don't like, they control who can run for office (including their own), and they elect the Supreme Leader, who controls the military and the judiciary. It is basically akin to the Communist Party's control of China.

Another little gem from the report, especially for those who believe that these Islamofascists are somehow equivalent to conservatives in America:

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Some 300,000 Baha'is, Iran's largest non-Muslim minority, enjoy virtually no rights under the law and are banned from practicing their faith. Hundreds of Baha'is have been executed since 1979.



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