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#505078 - 04/04/06 02:03 PM
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Bryce was pretty quiet during the first few tasks but over the last 2 weeks he stepped it up and I had taken a liking towards him. He messed up with "not knowing what time he had to be at Arby's"... but other than that I thought he was a pretty good leader. By the previews for next week it looks like the team is back to a state of hysteria!
But bottom line... he deserved to be fired after taking Lenny and Lee to the boardroom. All he had to do is take Tarek who sort of back-stabbed him in the boardroom... Tarek has been in there every time and Donald is sick of him... He would have been GONE!
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#505081 - 04/04/06 03:48 PM
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Anyway, the way I interpreted last night's boardroom drama... Bryce and Lenny were the only two members of the team willing to go if their team lost...So, when Trump asked for the PM and 2 people to come back, Bryce brought the only other person willing to pay for the failure, and someone that he knew Trump couldn't fire. And Trump knew he was being given a Hobson's choice (sort of.)
I completely concur. Bryce was taking the position that he signed off on the lyrics and music and thought they were great at the time, so in his view he couldn't turn around and say "Whoa, those sucked, and that's what killed us." Lenny seemed to genuinely believe he should be at risk because of his inability to contribute, so he was a natural for the BR. And the same thing with Lee--Bryce believed everyone had worked hard and done their best and that he had agreed on every aspect, so he couldn't bring them in without (in his eyes) being a hypocrite, so he was left with only Lee, who he knew would be totally safe. But at the same time I do think it was worth acknowledging that even though religion is important, Lee agreed to be on this show, which is after all a big game, and he's effectively managed to have immunity twice by observing his holidays.
Trump thinks Lenny was just dogging it on this one, but I think he just really didn't have the chops for it and really may have failed to grasp the whole thing. We've seen him get overly defensive before when he messed up and knew it and was trying to back people off, but this time he really seemed willing to take the hit. Interesting.
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#505082 - 04/04/06 03:54 PM
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isn't it amazing how the teams, knowing that Trump thinks Tarek and Charmaine have gotten off easy when responsible for losses, won't take either of them in?
...and while I think Lee should not be penalized for observing his religious holidays, but as randomname said above, he did sign up for the show. It is an unfair advantage for him to have received two bys out of how many weeks? It's not as if he is a driving force when he is there.
I thought it was fun watching Bryce stand up to Trump, and Carolyn, and Bill. More of them need to do the same, instead of kissing up to them.
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#505084 - 04/04/06 05:28 PM
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Has Lee ever been a PM yet? If I were on that team, he would be for the next task. The next *two* tasks. I understand he's a religious man; I respect that. Why don't you see him doing anything else to honor his religion? I'm far from an expert on the Jewish religion, but aren't there specific prayers that they must do once or twice a day? They've never shown him to put on phylacteries (and maybe that's a privacy issue, I don't know) or any prayers before eating and I don't remember any prohibition on electricity at any time. I don't think he's dogging it - entirely - but I do think he's mighty comfortable in a postion that he knows no one is going to be able to call on him. But again, I'm not an expert on this. Can someone explain it to me?
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#505085 - 04/04/06 05:30 PM
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He was a project manager and won. It might have been the Grape Nuts.
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#505087 - 04/04/06 05:33 PM
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I don't think Lee has been PM yet-wasn't Charmaine the winning PM for grape nuts-redeemed herself for the lousy commedienne at the GM task.
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#505088 - 04/04/06 05:36 PM
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He was PM because they were talking about how young he was and how he didn't know what he was doing. Just can't remember the task.
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#505089 - 04/04/06 06:33 PM
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I couldn't stand it anymore and looked it up. Lee was the PM on the Gillette Fusion task where they had to get the text messages.
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#505090 - 04/04/06 10:17 PM
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I understand he's a religious man; I respect that. Why don't you see him doing anything else to honor his religion? I'm far from an expert on the Jewish religion, but aren't there specific prayers that they must do once or twice a day? They've never shown him to put on phylacteries (and maybe that's a privacy issue, I don't know) or any prayers before eating and I don't remember any prohibition on electricity at any time. I don't think he's dogging it - entirely - but I do think he's mighty comfortable in a postion that he knows no one is going to be able to call on him. But again, I'm not an expert on this. Can someone explain it to me?
There are many levels of observance, and many rules that might seem strange to non-Jews. For example, the orthodox don't flip light switches on the Sabbath, although they will enjoy the light that was turned on before the Sabbath or by others.
Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur are the holiest of days, and there are many non-orthodox Jews who observe these holidays without following many of the other traditions. As a reform Jew who doesn't keep kosher, only occasionally attends synagogue, doesn't think twice about driving, transacting business or turning on lights on the Sabbath, I observe these few holidays, and respect him for doing the same.
That said, when I am off from work for those days and come back, I need to do extra and catch up. Lee has missed the two tasks now, I would think he needs to shine on the rest, rather than continue to blend into the scenery, to come out on top in this game.
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#505091 - 04/04/06 10:33 PM
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Uncle Milty, thank you so much for responding to my post. I hope I didn't offend you or anyone else with my thoughts. Your response makes complete sense. I'm afraid I attend church services in much of the same manner: Easter and Christmas. I agree Lee needs to step it up. He may just be young, but I think he needs to get his butt kicked a bit and then get that "politician" turned off inside of himself. He just doesn't seem to act naturally to me; he's always considering the angles. Well, I think I just described the perfect businessman. He'll probably win. 
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#505092 - 04/04/06 10:34 PM
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D*mmit! That was me - wasn't signed in.
Thanks, Uncle Milty.
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#505093 - 04/05/06 02:20 PM
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I just don't think it is right that Lee be given a pass on two tasks--it just isn't fair to the rest of the team. Dan too, he missed a task earlier.
Neither commercial was great nor worthly of "winning", but I guess the Arby's people had to pick one--and their reason was pretty lame.
I thought Bryce did the right thing, bring in two people who did little to contribute on winning this task. And I liked how he stood up to Trump--Carolyn disappointed me with the "why don't you just say, fire me".
Overall the task sucked--just another pimping of a product.
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#505094 - 04/05/06 04:56 PM
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Although now that I think about it a bit, some people on other forums have accused this show of trying to create individual crises just for drama. For instance, obviously they knew that three contestants were Jewish, so since the jingle task was a one-day event, there was no real reason they absolutely had to hold it on Yom Kippur. They could've waited and done it the next day. But this way, it forces the religiously-minded to make a big choice and then presents opportunities for teammates to gripe about their absence.
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#505095 - 04/05/06 06:30 PM
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Although now that I think about it a bit, some people on other forums have accused this show of trying to create individual crises just for drama. For instance, obviously they knew that three contestants were Jewish, so since the jingle task was a one-day event, there was no real reason they absolutely had to hold it on Yom Kippur. They could've waited and done it the next day. But this way, it forces the religiously-minded to make a big choice and then presents opportunities for teammates to gripe about their absence.
You could say kinda the same thing about Brent. I can't believe anyone interviewing him for this show actually thought he had a chance of winning and he was marginalized from day one by his team (wasn't he also the last one to be selected for a team).
I do think he was specifically selected just for the drama of his personality. That is why this show is going downhill.
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#505096 - 04/05/06 07:20 PM
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obviously they knew that three contestants were Jewish, so since the jingle task was a one-day event, there was no real reason they absolutely had to hold it on Yom Kippur.
I had to wonder about this. Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur are 9 days apart. Weren't there a few tasks in between? Although they play it as one task per week, it may be compressed. Anyone know the inside on this?
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#505097 - 04/05/06 07:50 PM
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I thought I read an interview with Bill Rancic that the task and board room take around 3 days (2 days on task/1 board room). Assuming they go back to back on tasks, which I think is true if I remember last season when they fired all four in the board room and everyone stayed up waiting for someone to return and never did.
Dan and Lee were gone for week 3 and Lee last night for week 6.
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#505098 - 04/10/06 02:44 PM
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Two episodes tonight--two firings.
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#505099 - 04/10/06 03:47 PM
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I hope they fire that red-head tonight. I'm so sick of her condescending, know-it-all smirk.
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#505101 - 04/10/06 05:14 PM
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Two hours.
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