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#542755 - 05/03/06 09:22 PM
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Lol, it's the point of the matter, lol.
good. i was worried that i ticked you off. what i said about pennies was the point of the matter though, too. the whole "my tax dollars" thing i hear all the time is so trite.
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#542756 - 05/03/06 09:23 PM
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Interesting thought process. I could see trying to make headways with younger people to deter them away from becoming future terrorists.
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#542757 - 05/03/06 09:25 PM
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Lol, it's the point of the matter, lol.
good. i was worried that i ticked you off. what i said about pennies was the point of the matter though, too. the whole "my tax dollars" thing i hear all the time is so trite.
Do you know what is not "trite"? The cumulative effect of all of those "little" tax dollars in the various programs that waste large amounts of the money that we all pay in taxes. I really don't find that to be all that amusing to be honest.
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#542758 - 05/03/06 09:26 PM
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Interesting thought process. I could see trying to make headways with younger people to deter them away from becoming future terrorists.
that's part of it. another is deducing what we know and trying to stay a step ahead. like profiling that the fbi uses.
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#542759 - 05/03/06 09:28 PM
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Lol, it's the point of the matter, lol.
good. i was worried that i ticked you off. what i said about pennies was the point of the matter though, too. the whole "my tax dollars" thing i hear all the time is so trite.
Do you know what is not "trite"? The cumulative effect of all of those "little" tax dollars in the various programs that waste large amounts of the money that we all pay in taxes. I really don't find that to be all that amusing to be honest.
i know but that is a bigger issue, marky. it deserves another thread. i was just trying to keep this discussion focused before it invariably becomes partisan bickering.
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#542760 - 05/03/06 09:29 PM
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Looks like someone didn't get his afternoon nap. 
great response ..... not
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#542761 - 05/03/06 09:39 PM
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MIF, you asked if understanding their belief would be enought to persuad them not to kill innocent people. Years ago I had to read the Koran for a college course and it states that muslims can not be friends with Christians and Jews, therefore I'm having trouble with the rhetoric I hear from my local imans and have asked, but can't get a straight answer except the islam is a peaceful religion. Maybe it's only peaceful is we are all muslims.
Anon who asked if I was drinking conservative kool aid, I'm not buying into Moussaoui's propaganda, read my statement again, I was repeating what a relative of a 911 victim said. Gotta love not being able to address an anon by name.
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#542762 - 05/03/06 09:40 PM
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I also agree with the other poster that it sickens me to think that my tax dollars will be feeding and housing this idiot for years to come.
please provide the calculation of how many of your tax dollars are going to pay for him. a ballpark figure would be fine.
Really, I have no idea, but how will they pay for his lodging and food if they don't use taxpayer funds?
of course they will use taxpayer funds. i wanted to know how badly you would miss the pennies of your portion.
Lol, it's the point of the matter, lol.
Does it matter how much we will miss our pennies. You liberals want to tax everyone, how about you pay for it. I saw a poll that said 92% supported ZM get the DP. So you pay our $4.12.
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#542764 - 05/03/06 10:36 PM
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Jury recommends life in prison. Will the judge agree?
The judge doesn't have a choice in this case.
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#542765 - 05/04/06 12:21 AM
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Well, if bin laden, or Moussaoui, wants to die and be a martyr, WHY AREN'T THEY FLYING AIRPLANES INTO BUILDINGS?
Well, in Moussasoui's case it wasn't for lack of trying! He was just too stupid to be successful at it.
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We will sentence McVeigh to death for the Oklahoma City bombing, but not this scum bag.
Keep in mind that while they are/were both terrorists, McVeigh was an actual mass murderer while this guy was just a wannabee.
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#542767 - 05/04/06 01:23 AM
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"Al-Qaida conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui escaped the death penalty Wednesday as a jury decided he deserved life in prison instead for his role in the bloodiest terrorist attack in U.S. history. "America, you lost," Moussaoui taunted. "
Moussaoui, as he was led from the courtroom after the 15-minute hearing, said: "America, you lost. ... I won." He clapped his hands as he was escorted away.
I hope they give this Piece of Trash the Jeffrey Dahmer treatment!
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#542768 - 05/04/06 02:02 AM
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"Al-Qaida conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui escaped the death penalty Wednesday as a jury decided he deserved life in prison instead for his role in the bloodiest terrorist attack in U.S. history. "America, you lost," Moussaoui taunted. "
Moussaoui, as he was led from the courtroom after the 15-minute hearing, said: "America, you lost. ... I won." He clapped his hands as he was escorted away.
I hope they give this Piece of Trash the Jeffrey Dahmer treatment!
these are the words of a desperate man. we did win here. we beat him. what else can he say? if you want to punish him, you got it. this man will consume himself in prison. no need to put him with other inmates. think papillon.
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#542769 - 05/04/06 02:24 AM
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MIF, you asked if understanding their belief would be enought to persuad them not to kill innocent people. Years ago I had to read the Koran for a college course and it states that muslims can not be friends with Christians and Jews, therefore I'm having trouble with the rhetoric I hear from my local imans and have asked, but can't get a straight answer except the islam is a peaceful religion. Maybe it's only peaceful is we are all muslims.
Anon who asked if I was drinking conservative kool aid, I'm not buying into Moussaoui's propaganda, read my statement again, I was repeating what a relative of a 911 victim said. Gotta love not being able to address an anon by name.
Do you follow every single word in the Bible? Muslims are no more or less violent than any other religion.
No SP I don't, but I'm not a radical person like these people or certain Christians are so I don't see the point of your quote. I'm only quoting what the Koran says outright. We could sit here and argue and "eye for an eye", "turn the other cheek", I was only trying to answer Mark on his question if we could persuade them. And SP, I think you will find it difficult to defend the militant actions of the muslims against Israel and the west as opposed to Christians in recent years. Just look at Russia, Yugoslavia, Darfur, Iraq, Indonesia, et al.
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#542770 - 05/04/06 03:04 AM
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I had to read the Koran for a college course and it states that muslims can not be friends with Christians and Jews, therefore I'm having trouble with the rhetoric I hear from my local imans and have asked, but can't get a straight answer except the islam is a peaceful religion. Maybe it's only peaceful is we are all muslims.
To me this looks like you are juding the entire religion and their ability to be peaceful based on the actions of radicals. I stand by my statement.
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Muslims are no more or less violent than any other religion.
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#542771 - 05/04/06 03:18 AM
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Your original post said nothing of radicals it clearly said:
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I had to read the Koran for a college course and it states that muslims can not be friends with Christians and Jews, therefore I'm having trouble with the rhetoric I hear from my local imans and have asked, but can't get a straight answer except the islam is a peaceful religion. Maybe it's only peaceful is we are all muslims.
To me this looks like you are juding the entire religion and their ability to be peaceful based on the actions of radicals. I stand by my statement.
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Muslims are no more or less violent than any other religion.
Well tell me the last time a Christian religion stoned a woman to death because a man raped her or a Christian religi0n wanted to kill a person for leaving that religion. Or when a Christian killed in the name of our God. Listen carefully, I am not a conservative, or a left or right wing kind of person, I'm very reasonable, I have no agenda, I follow what I believe to be right or wrong, not a philosophy.
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#542772 - 05/04/06 04:54 AM
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Do you follow every single word in the Bible? Muslims are no more or less violent than any other religion.
That is a nice thought but you're mixing apples with oranges, Sweetpeas. Take a few moments to consider this passage from the Quarn:
Sura 9:1-6 says:
A (declaration) of immunity from God and His Apostle, to those of the pagans with whom ye have contracted mutual alliances. Go ye, then, for four months backwards and forwards (as ye will) throughout the land, but know ye that ye cannot frustrate God (by your falsehood), but that God will cover with shame those who reject Him. And an announcement from God and His Apostle, to the people (assembled) on the day of the great pilgrimage – that God and His Apostle dissolve (treaty) obligations to the pagans. If, then ye repent, it were best for you. But if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate God. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject faith. (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfill your engagements with them to the end of their term, for God loveth the righteous. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war). But if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them.
“Those who reject God” are those who do not want to become Muslims. This passage teaches that all treaties are null and void and a state of war exists toward all those who don’t believe Islam until they “repent and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity" -- in other words, convert to Islam.
Other passages of the Quran teach that the war must be fought and the pagans slain until they repent. It's true that the Quaran says to stop fighting as soon as the pagans repent (i.e. convert), and that sometimes even though Muslims may not want to fight, nevertheless it is in the best interest of Islam to continue fighting until they repent.
If this is not, in fact, much more violent than any of the world's major religions, then I don't understand very much about other religions. I don't know of any other major religion whose holy scriptures teach its followers to slay those who oppose it. We're not talking about radical followers who get something horribly wrong or out of balance -- we're talking about the teachings of the Islamic scripture itself. I think you're intelligent enough to catch the fact that is something quite significant and cannot be ignored or easily brushed aside.
Sweetpeas, I encourage you to read the Quran for yourself. You can find online versions on the internet.
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#542773 - 05/04/06 11:31 AM
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It's been proved many, many times that it costs the taxpayers more to execute someone than life in prison. Also, penologists will tell you that the greater penalty is life rather than execution. I say keep the SOB alive, no books, no TV, no contact with other prisoners, friends or family (only his lawyer) for the rest of his miserable life. Forty years in a 6x8' cell 23 hours a day works is pretty good punishment. Keep in mind that although he was part of the conspiracy, he didn't actually participate in 9/11. Even al Quada thought he was a little nuts.
I agree with you Steven on all counts, except his cell is really 7 x 12' , which is much too big. I hope the miserable bastard enjoys his stay at Hotel Pen.
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#542774 - 05/04/06 11:32 AM
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Well tell me the last time a Christian religion stoned a woman to death because a man raped her or a Christian religi0n wanted to kill a person for leaving that religion. Or when a Christian killed in the name of our God.
Well, just to pick one group, the Lord's Resistance Army; a radical Christian organization seeking to establish a Christian theocratic government in Uganda, 'executed' over 30 people just in November/December of 2005. Killing is actually the most benign thing they do to unbelievers.
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#542776 - 05/04/06 12:21 PM
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i hear a lot of hate here.
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#542777 - 05/04/06 12:22 PM
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Your original post said nothing of radicals it clearly said:
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I had to read the Koran for a college course and it states that muslims can not be friends with Christians and Jews, therefore I'm having trouble with the rhetoric I hear from my local imans and have asked, but can't get a straight answer except the islam is a peaceful religion. Maybe it's only peaceful is we are all muslims.
To me this looks like you are juding the entire religion and their ability to be peaceful based on the actions of radicals. I stand by my statement.
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Muslims are no more or less violent than any other religion.
Well tell me the last time a Christian religion stoned a woman to death because a man raped her or a Christian religi0n wanted to kill a person for leaving that religion. Or when a Christian killed in the name of our God. Listen carefully, I am not a conservative, or a left or right wing kind of person, I'm very reasonable, I have no agenda, I follow what I believe to be right or wrong, not a philosophy.
History is full of acts of violence sanctioned by the Christian religion. You are entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine.
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#542779 - 05/04/06 12:26 PM
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