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#558735 - 05/26/06 04:54 PM
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I'm glad you are content with the direction we are going and have no desire for change. I'm not as content as you and I'd like to see some real change.
So, you're not content with a free Iraqi government and a gradual drawing down of American forces? Doesn't seem like there are many good options other than that - increase force levels, maintain current force levels forever, or immediate withdrawal; a totalitarian Iraqi regime. Yep, I'm going to stick with my choices.
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#558736 - 05/26/06 05:12 PM
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Doesn't seem like there are many good options other than that
Actually, there are no good options at all. The only good option from the standpoint of America's best interest, would have been not to invade. Once we did, we were left with only bad options.
Now we have lost thousands of military personnel, spent hundreds of billions that we did not have, ruined our reputation in the world, become known as a violator of the Geneva Convention and a country that practices torture, and we have overextended our military so that we don't have the capability to respond to real threats.
And for what? To take down a third-rate dictator who had already been deprived of his WMDs? To benefit Iran by removing a long time nemesis and helping to create an Islamic state instead of a secular one?
No, there are certainly no good options and that situation was not only predictable, but was predicted by many prior to our ill-conceived attack.
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#558737 - 05/26/06 05:17 PM
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Iraq is not ready for the freedoms we propose. If we had bothered to learn about their culture and respect it we would be able to see that.
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#558738 - 05/26/06 05:22 PM
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SP, that is not so thinly veiled racism if I've ever seen it!
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#558739 - 05/26/06 05:28 PM
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I'm glad you are content with the direction we are going and have no desire for change. I'm not as content as you and I'd like to see some real change.
So, you're not content with a free Iraqi government and a gradual drawing down of American forces? Doesn't seem like there are many good options other than that - increase force levels, maintain current force levels forever, or immediate withdrawal; a totalitarian Iraqi regime. Yep, I'm going to stick with my choices.
Fine.
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#558740 - 05/26/06 06:01 PM
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The only good option from the standpoint of America's best interest, would have been not to invade.
I am so tired of that argument. The decision was made on the information available at the time. Maybe we wouldn't have made the same decision had different information been available. But Monday-morning quarterbacking is doing nothing but hurting our efforts.
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Now we have lost thousands of military personnel, spent hundreds of billions that we did not have, ruined our reputation in the world become known as a violator of the Geneva Convention and a country that practices torture, and we have overextended our military so that we don't have the capability to respond to real threats.
And how would you have explained yourself when Saddam passed a nuclear weapon to a terrorist. The people who hate us hated us already. They always will. Overthrowing Saddam Hussein is not what made America unpopular.
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And for what? To take down a third-rate dictator who had already been deprived of his WMDs?
Deprived, but only for a time.
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To benefit Iran by removing a long time nemesis and helping to create an Islamic state instead of a secular one?
Silly liberal, everybody knows the war was to benefit Israel.
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No, there are certainly no good options and that situation was not only predictable, but was predicted by many prior to our ill-conceived attack.
Victory remains a very good option. Like all benefits, it comes with a cost, a cost which this President has never denied.
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#558741 - 05/26/06 06:08 PM
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Iraq is not ready for the freedoms we propose. If we had bothered to learn about their culture and respect it we would be able to see that.
You aren't ready for the freedoms we have, does that mean none of us should have them? Many Iraqi's ARE ready. Many left Iraq over the years to have freedoms. Many want freedoms. Why shouldn't they be allowed to have them?
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#558742 - 05/26/06 06:19 PM
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Monday-morning quarterbacking
But it's not Manday morning quarterbacking. It was widely believed and stated beforehand that invading Iraq would produce a quagmire in the long term. Even Colin Powell said that if we break it, we buy it. Well, we did and now we're paying for it.
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And how would you have explained yourself when Saddam passed a nuclear weapon to a terrorist.
He didn't have nuclear weapons or even a nuclear weapons program!!!!!! We knew this, we had inspectors in Iraq as part of the inspections team. Besides, Saddam wouldn't pass any weapons to terrorists like al Qaeda for fear that they would use them against him to establish an Islamic state in Iraq. We saved them that trouble.
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Victory remains a very good option.
Whoa! The kool-aid is obviously flowing freely at your place. We can win every battle in Iraq without winning anything. It is a guerrilla war where the attackers can choose to fight when they want and blend in the rest of the time. They are willing to continue this for years or even decades. Ultimately, we will have to leave and they will declare that they have "won".
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#558743 - 05/26/06 06:21 PM
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My husband worked side-by-side with Iraqi's destroying bunkers filled with hundreds of kinds of ammunition that Saddam had stockpiled...They were VERY happy to help the "wonderful American soldiers" that were there helping them.
Don't believe everything you see on the news or read in the papers...
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#558744 - 05/26/06 06:21 PM
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Wow SP, your last comment sure did seem in line with socialism....
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#558746 - 05/26/06 06:31 PM
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Monday-morning quarterbacking
But it's not Manday morning quarterbacking. It was widely believed and stated beforehand that invading Iraq would produce a quagmire in the long term. Even Colin Powell said that if we break it, we buy it. Well, we did and now we're paying for it.
Did Colin Powell resign? Did Congress decide not to pass the use-of-force resolution?
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And how would you have explained yourself when Saddam passed a nuclear weapon to a terrorist.
He didn't have nuclear weapons or even a nuclear weapons program!!!!!! We knew this, we had inspectors in Iraq as part of the inspections team. Besides, Saddam wouldn't pass any weapons to terrorists like al Qaeda for fear that they would use them against him to establish an Islamic state in Iraq. We saved them that trouble.
He had the ability and desire to re-start that program at any time, and with "allies" like the French pushing to end sanctions, inspections were not far behind.
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Victory remains a very good option.
Whoa! The kool-aid is obviously flowing freely at your place. We can win every battle in Iraq without winning anything. It is a guerrilla war where the attackers can choose to fight when they want and blend in the rest of the time. They are willing to continue this for years or even decades. Ultimately, we will have to leave and they will declare that they have "won".
There are many countries that have dealt with insurgencies over a period of time. There is no reason at all why a free Iraqi government cannot do the same.
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#558747 - 05/26/06 06:33 PM
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Iraq is not ready for the freedoms we propose. If we had bothered to learn about their culture and respect it we would be able to see that.
My husband worked side-by-side with Iraqi's destroying bunkers filled with hundreds of kinds of ammunition that Saddam had stockpiled...They were VERY happy to help the "wonderful American soldiers" that were there helping them.
Don't believe everything you see on the news or read in the papers...
a. You have no idea what I'm talking about.
b. I happen to know some folks that have been over in Iraq recently and they don't paint such a rosy picture.
you know, sweetpeas...that was very rude and disrespectful..and "knowing some folks" who have been and actually sacrificing yourself are two different things. I gave up my husband and my childrens father for 15 months. It wasn't a "rosy" picture...you have no idea.
We lost a very special young man in his unit while he was there...my husband helped in the funeral they had in country.
His best best friend lost his leg last week saving an Iraqi soldier he was on patrol with when they were ambushed.
I've been pretty respectful of you on here, Sweetpeas...but this takes the cake...please...
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#558749 - 05/26/06 06:48 PM
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Iraq is not ready for full scale freedom. Without the U.S. there to hold their hand, they will fall back into dictatorship within 10 years. Their culture is nothing like ours and our government should respect that culture.
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#558750 - 05/26/06 06:49 PM
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Never any responsibility. Never an apology. No self-awareness or a decision to show no self-awareness on BOL.
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#558752 - 05/26/06 06:56 PM
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Iraq is not ready for the freedoms we propose. If we had bothered to learn about their culture and respect it we would be able to see that.
My husband worked side-by-side with Iraqi's destroying bunkers filled with hundreds of kinds of ammunition that Saddam had stockpiled...They were VERY happy to help the "wonderful American soldiers" that were there helping them.
Don't believe everything you see on the news or read in the papers...
a. You have no idea what I'm talking about.
b. I happen to know some folks that have been over in Iraq recently and they don't paint such a rosy picture.
You are right...half the time we don't really know what you are talking about cause you contradict yourself more often than not (not usually in a thread, but when you look at your reasoning for comments across multiple threads). I think most of your posts are like "teasers" put out there to see how much reaction you can get from people. You spend way too much time in front of a computer (just my opinion and no nobody asked my opinion) You talk about anon's stirring the pot and believe me, that is like the pot calling the kettle black. I'm done...going away now...thanks for playing...
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#558753 - 05/26/06 07:02 PM
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"a. You have no idea what I'm talking about."
Was that a typo, with "I" as the intended first word?
You seem to be posting thoughts from a very small world. Try to think big! You do realize that your views cover about 1% of the posters here? Why bother posting at all - are you that needy for attention - does that not make you an attention w____?
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#558754 - 05/26/06 07:07 PM
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Iraq is not ready for full scale freedom. Without the U.S. there to hold their hand, they will fall back into dictatorship within 10 years. Their culture is nothing like ours and our government should respect that culture.
How do you know they don't want it. I too had a dear friend in the Marines and he had never experienced so much thanks and appreciation from the people in Iraq. He said each time he saw a child free to run and play in the streets and running arms wide open to give them a hug, it confirmed his heart felt thoughts that this is why they are there and it is worth every risk he has taken. He has seen the bloodshed and has witnessed death at a young age, but said it has been worth it to see the smiles on their face and the true gratitude in their eyes. You have a right to your opinion and I have a right to mine, but you have no right to make a blanket statement like the ones you have made here in this thread. You have no basis in your previous posts like the following.....
"Iraq is not ready for the freedoms we propose. If we had bothered to learn about their culture and respect it we would be able to see that. "
and your comment "if we bothered to learn about their culture......are you serious...they have been under the rule of a sick, dimented, dictator for a long time and most of the time he didn't allow them to live according to their culture. No one deserves to lead a life like that.
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#558755 - 05/26/06 07:08 PM
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These are just the fine comments made about me in this thread. Quote:
Your stuff is geting tiresome and stupid.
But, people without a full deck need attention, too!
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But, do your posts improve on the silence? Why allow your own little ego to rage so wildly? After all, you seem to have the intellect of a flea and the ego of an elephant - keep in under control or you'll end up in fill-tilt diva-meltdown mode, just like Howard Dean.
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I just did a search for Sweetpea in BOL. She has 200 posts since the 17th. Maybe she should apologize to her job for wasting their money.
Maybe she should apologize to the BOL admins because they built the watercooler to build an audience. But SP has not posted in another forum in 15 days, or probably ever (unless you count the other non-banking forum).
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SP, that is not so thinly veiled racism if I've ever seen it!
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Wow SP, your last comment sure did seem in line with socialism....
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You are right...half the time we don't really know what you are talking about cause you contradict yourself more often than not (not usually in a thread, but when you look at your reasoning for comments across multiple threads). I think most of your posts are like "teasers" put out there to see how much reaction you can get from people. You spend way too much time in front of a computer (just my opinion and no nobody asked my opinion) You talk about anon's stirring the pot and believe me, that is like the pot calling the kettle black. I'm done...going away now...thanks for playing...
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"a. You have no idea what I'm talking about."
Was that a typo, with "I" as the intended first word?
You seem to be posting thoughts from a very small world. Try to think big! You do realize that your views cover about 1% of the posters here? Why bother posting at all - are you that needy for attention - does that not make you an attention w____?
And I'm supposed to apologize for this comment:
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a. You have no idea what I'm talking about.
b. I happen to know some folks that have been over in Iraq recently and they don't paint such a rosy picture.
Don't hold your breath.
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#558756 - 05/26/06 07:11 PM
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These are just the fine comments made about me in this thread.
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Your stuff is geting tiresome and stupid.
But, people without a full deck need attention, too!
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But, do your posts improve on the silence? Why allow your own little ego to rage so wildly? After all, you seem to have the intellect of a flea and the ego of an elephant - keep in under control or you'll end up in fill-tilt diva-meltdown mode, just like Howard Dean.
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I just did a search for Sweetpea in BOL. She has 200 posts since the 17th. Maybe she should apologize to her job for wasting their money.
Maybe she should apologize to the BOL admins because they built the watercooler to build an audience. But SP has not posted in another forum in 15 days, or probably ever (unless you count the other non-banking forum).
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SP, that is not so thinly veiled racism if I've ever seen it!
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Wow SP, your last comment sure did seem in line with socialism....
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You are right...half the time we don't really know what you are talking about cause you contradict yourself more often than not (not usually in a thread, but when you look at your reasoning for comments across multiple threads). I think most of your posts are like "teasers" put out there to see how much reaction you can get from people. You spend way too much time in front of a computer (just my opinion and no nobody asked my opinion) You talk about anon's stirring the pot and believe me, that is like the pot calling the kettle black. I'm done...going away now...thanks for playing...
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"a. You have no idea what I'm talking about."
Was that a typo, with "I" as the intended first word?
You seem to be posting thoughts from a very small world. Try to think big! You do realize that your views cover about 1% of the posters here? Why bother posting at all - are you that needy for attention - does that not make you an attention w____?
And I'm supposed to apologize for this comment:
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a. You have no idea what I'm talking about.
b. I happen to know some folks that have been over in Iraq recently and they don't paint such a rosy picture.
Don't hold your breath.
Yet...she is still here  What will it take?
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#558757 - 05/26/06 07:25 PM
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Iraq is not ready for full scale freedom.
Of course not. They aren't white, after all.
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#558758 - 05/26/06 07:48 PM
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Iraq is not ready for the freedoms we propose. If we had bothered to learn about their culture and respect it we would be able to see that.
So, you're saying that you are in a better position to tell them how to live their lives than giving them freedom and allowing them to determine who governs them?
Seems a bit egotistical.
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#558759 - 05/26/06 07:54 PM
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No. I'm saying that if you have beat someone into submission for years they are going to be unable to govern on their own until they have had time to figure out what THEY want. Not what a foreign government tells them they want. Plus there are cultural differences in regards to women that make a true democracy unlikely. I predict they will be ripe for another dictator because they don't have the mindset or the tools to govern like a Western nation.
You can call that egotistical, but I call it pragmatic.
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