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#635412 - 11/08/06 07:30 AM
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It's 11:26 on the West Coast and you were too pessimistic. Looks like the Dems got all but Tennessee (though VA is headed to a recount, it's hard to see that changing the outcome). Congratulations. Gloat for a day. Then get to governing! I hope your team makes something of the opportunity because the country sure needs it.
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#635416 - 11/08/06 01:12 PM
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Bush better leave the veto pen in the desk. The reason is spelled i-m-p-e-a-c-h-m-e-n-t.
Now Congress can get down to work on universal healthcare, a sensible immigration policy, an end to the Iraq nightmare, restoration of our civil liberties, and improving our safety and security by renewing our image and influence abroad. Did I miss anything?
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#635417 - 11/08/06 01:38 PM
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yeah KevinT...reality. Univbersal healthcare will never come, and if the Dems create it, we will look like England and Canada, where it takes a mere 18 months to get a doctors appointment. We have a sensible immigration poicy, it just isn't being followed. I'm unaware that any of my civil liberties were missing. They will debacle Iraq as well. And our image abroad is creating saftey issues? Riggghhhhtttttt.....
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#635419 - 11/08/06 01:59 PM
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simply oppose for the sake of opposing
did this really happen, west oast early bird?
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#635420 - 11/08/06 02:03 PM
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yeah KevinT...reality. Univbersal healthcare will never come, and if the Dems create it, we will look like England and Canada, where it takes a mere 18 months to get a doctors appointment. We have a sensible immigration poicy, it just isn't being followed. I'm unaware that any of my civil liberties were missing. They will debacle Iraq as well. And our image abroad is creating saftey issues? Riggghhhhtttttt.....
Happy, thanks for bringing us back to reality, lol.
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#635421 - 11/08/06 02:06 PM
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Happy, thanks for bringing us back to [conservative fear-mongering] reality
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#635423 - 11/08/06 02:25 PM
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Ron - no conservative fear mongering at all, just reality. The bottom line is that regardless of which party is the majority, the other works to constantly undermine anything they attempt. The elected leaders of this country have forgotten that they are here to serve the people, not an agenda. Sadly, we continue to allow them to do this...
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#635425 - 11/08/06 02:30 PM
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Kevin, Please see the definition of Impeachment:
In the United States, impeachment can occur both at the federal and state level. At the federal level, different standards apply when the impeachment involves a member of the executive branch or of the judiciary (and dispute currently exists over the use of impeachment against members of the legislative branch.) For the executive branch, only those who have allegedly committed "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors" may be impeached. Although treason and bribery are obvious, the Constitution is silent on what constitutes a "high crime or misdemeanor."
The President may not be impeached for exercising his right to veto bills. You would do well to read Redsfan's comments in this thread. No one in Washington is "clean" with unblemished records.
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#635426 - 11/08/06 02:34 PM
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Bush better leave the veto pen in the desk. The reason is spelled i-m-p-e-a-c-h-m-e-n-t.
Oh please. The reason he won't have to is spelled f-i-l-l-a-b-u-s-t-e-r. Why shouldn't the Republican minority use the same tactic as the Democrats?
Oh, and impeaching a President is not how you respond to a veto. You respond to a veto with a 2/3rds overide if I recall correctly. The President has done nothing to be impeached over.
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#635427 - 11/08/06 02:35 PM
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Well, I don't give a fig about how the Democrats treat the Republicans, or what the left thinks their victory is going to mean for universal healthcare, minimum wage hikes, or whatever their pet causes were. As I've said before, I think there is some hope that on domestic issues (e.g., spending), a dem takeover will be a good thing. The only issue here is Iraq. We have now swept into power the party of "redeployment to Okinawa". Here is what Hezbollah thinks this means for those Iraqis who have allied with us there: Quote:
[America] will leave the Middle East, and the Arab and Islamic worlds, like they left Vietnam. I advise all those who place their trust in the Americans to learn the lesson of Vietnam...
I truly hope that the Democrats, having used Iraq as a partisan football for the past two and a half years, will finally act like grownups on the issue.
Republicans certainly didn't deserve re-election, given how far they had strayed from the ideals that swept them into power twelve years ago. I just hope that our country will be able to afford taking them to the wood shed at this critical juncture in history.
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#635429 - 11/08/06 02:38 PM
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Bush better leave the veto pen in the desk. The reason is spelled i-m-p-e-a-c-h-m-e-n-t.
Oh please. The reason he won't have to is spelled f-i-l-l-a-b-u-s-t-e-r. Why shouldn't the Republican minority use the same tactic as the Democrats?
Oh, and impeaching a President is not how you respond to a veto. You respond to a veto with a 2/3rds overide if I recall correctly. The President has done nothing to be impeached over.
Actually, it is spelled...f-i-l-i-b-u-s-t-e-r... 
Ok, it's spelled wrong. Now lets spend the next three months quoting the definition from the dictionary, and citing the recent uses of the tactic by Democrats. That should work to keep a vote away. 
You should know how that works. It's how the democrats PREVENTED legislation on the things people are now saying they will fix.
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#635431 - 11/08/06 02:41 PM
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Ron - no conservative fear mongering at all, just reality. The bottom line is that regardless of which party is the majority, the other works to constantly undermine anything they attempt. The elected leaders of this country have forgotten that they are here to serve the people, not an agenda. Sadly, we continue to allow them to do this...
listen, happy, i agree with everything you just said. i am trying to be optomistic in thinking that there was a reason for bloodletting in congress and that "reality" ends with the last one as the new blood is hopefully cognizant of actually accomplishing things for our country. just because there was a conservative agenda for america doesn't mean there will necessarily be a liberal agenda for the nation. and i've said it before and i will say it again, i am scared of what pelosi will do. i don't want the pendulum to swing to the opposite end of the spectrum.
(for instance, despite the fear-mongering about what liberals do with taxes, i remember hearing at least 3 winning candidates say that this was a victory for the middle-class)
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#635432 - 11/08/06 02:41 PM
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Cranky this morning, aren't we? 
Not really, but saying that Democrats should try to impeach the President if he uses his veto is, frankly, the kind of stupidity and gamesmanship I expect from that party.
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#635433 - 11/08/06 02:42 PM
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Oh, for Christ's sake, stop lumping everyone together.  "that party", good grief.
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#635434 - 11/08/06 02:46 PM
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only those who have allegedly committed "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors" may be impeached
recent precedent says otherwise... 
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