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#656050 - 12/21/06 10:22 PM Boy, 5, accused of sexual harassment
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Boy, 5, accused of sexual harassment

Associated Press
Dec. 21, 2006 07:39 AM


HAGERSTOWN, Md. - A Maryland kindergarten student has been accused of sexual harassment and written up. The 5-year-old boy pinched a girl's buttocks.

A spokeswoman for Washington County public schools says the episode in a hallway at Lincolnshire Elementary School earlier this month fits the state Department of Education's definition of sexual harassment.

The definition in part describes sexual harassment as inappropriate physical conduct of a sexual nature directed toward others.

The spokeswoman says the reprimand is a learning opportunity for the boy even though he may not understand that what he is doing is sexual harassment.

But the boy's father says he doesn't know what to say to his son. He told The Herald-Mail of Hagerstown that the boy thinks of it as just playing and doesn't know anything about sex.


I think bureaucrats have lost their minds

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#656052 - 12/21/06 10:26 PM Re: Boy, 5, accused of sexual harassment straw
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Originally Posted By: straw
But the boy's father says he doesn't know what to say to his son.


This is the crux of the problem. The parent(s) never educated the child about (in)appropriate behavior.
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#656055 - 12/21/06 10:28 PM Re: Boy, 5, accused of sexual harassment straw
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Okay, people need to lighten up! I kind of remember elementary school, and all the kids would "play" like that. Pinching, tugging hair, looking up skirts. It's kids being curious and interactive. I don't think it has anything to do with harassment, much less sexual.
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#656059 - 12/21/06 10:30 PM Re: Boy, 5, accused of sexual harassment Bacon Boy
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This is one of the more ridiculous things I've heard lately.
Sexual harassment and a 5 year old? Are you kidding me?
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#656060 - 12/21/06 10:33 PM Re: Boy, 5, accused of sexual harassment Becka Marr
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Originally Posted By: Becka Marr
Originally Posted By: straw
But the boy's father says he doesn't know what to say to his son.

This is the crux of the problem. The parent(s) never educated the child about (in)appropriate behavior.
OK, assuming you're not being sarcastic, let's roll with this.

I'm supposed to tell my kids to be nice to others. I get that. Don't bite, don't hit, don't pinch, don't call names.

But now you're saying I have to say, "don't do this or that because that's sexual harrassment?" A five year old is not going to understand this.

This is just a case of the school engaging in CYA to protect itself from a lawsuit. It has nothing whatsover to do with "protecting" the kids involved.

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#656061 - 12/21/06 10:33 PM Re: Boy, 5, accused of sexual harassment MadisonCali
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Sounds like he's off to a good start to me. :ducks for cover:
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#656064 - 12/21/06 10:34 PM Re: Boy, 5, accused of sexual harassment MadisonCali
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OMG! He is just a kid. My son is 5 and I couldn't even imagine him bein accused of sexual harassment. Kids play different ways. Plus he is just a kid.
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#656065 - 12/21/06 10:36 PM Re: Boy, 5, accused of sexual harassment Becka Marr
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I think that the dad needs to tell his son that it isn't okay to hit, push, or pinch people and that there are certain private places on people's bodies that he needs to be especially respectful of - people's bottoms being one of those places.

As for calling it sexual harassment, I think that's ridiculous. I don't see how you could say that the pinching was "sexual in nature" when the little boy doesn't even know what sex is. Give the little boy the appropriate punishment for being mean, or roughhousing in an inappropriate situation, or for bullying if that was the case. I just don't think it should be labeled as something which it very likely isn't.
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#656067 - 12/21/06 10:42 PM Re: Boy, 5, accused of sexual harassment Jaeger Schnitzel
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These bureaucrats should have to watch the sex education episode of Southpark.
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#656087 - 12/21/06 10:50 PM Re: Boy, 5, accused of sexual harassment GuitarDude
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This is just nuts. So, by that standard, if a doctor spanks a baby just after being born (normal practice), would that too be considered sexual harassment?

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#656098 - 12/21/06 10:56 PM Re: Boy, 5, accused of sexual harassment Jaeger Schnitzel
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Originally Posted By: Jaeger Schnitzle
I think that the dad needs to tell his son that it isn't okay to hit, push, or pinch people and that there are certain private places on people's bodies that he needs to be especially respectful of - people's bottoms being one of those places.


This is what my point was getting at, Bugs. Jaeger said it better than I did. I agree the 'sexual harrassment' tag is nonsense.
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#656108 - 12/21/06 11:10 PM Re: Boy, 5, accused of sexual harassment Becka Marr
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Originally Posted By: Becka Marr
Originally Posted By: Jaeger Schnitzle
I think that the dad needs to tell his son that it isn't okay to hit, push, or pinch people and that there are certain private places on people's bodies that he needs to be especially respectful of - people's bottoms being one of those places.


This is what my point was getting at, Bugs. Jaeger said it better than I did. I agree the 'sexual harrassment' tag is nonsense.

OK. We're on the same page. Sorry I misunderstood.

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#656144 - 12/22/06 03:19 AM Re: Boy, 5, accused of sexual harassment Jaeger Schnitzel
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I don't see how you could say that the pinching was "sexual in nature" when the little boy doesn't even know what sex is.

that's the crux right there imo. somebody needs to be sanctioned for bringing this case.

i say the judge should not be reelected if he doesn't sanction someone.

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#656314 - 12/22/06 03:50 PM Re: Boy, 5, accused of sexual harassment Hated By Some
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No judge Ron; just a school administrator.

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#656406 - 12/22/06 05:36 PM Re: Boy, 5, accused of sexual harassment straw
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I just wonder where the kid learned that sort of behavior, and why he thought it was OK. I just don't accept the dad's lame excuse about not knowing what to say; I'd guess he's just having trouble explaining to the boy why something daddy does is inappropriate
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#656411 - 12/22/06 05:40 PM Re: Boy, 5, accused of sexual harassment straw
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Originally Posted By: straw
No judge Ron; just a school administrator.

hey, him, too.

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#656412 - 12/22/06 05:40 PM Re: Boy, 5, accused of sexual harassment Becka Marr
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Maybe Daddy pinched Mommy's butt, and she giggled and seemed to like it, and Sonny saw it, and tried to imitate Dad.
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#656436 - 12/22/06 05:58 PM Re: Boy, 5, accused of sexual harassment Becka Marr
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Originally Posted By: Becka Marr
I just wonder where the kid learned that sort of behavior, and why he thought it was OK. I just don't accept the dad's lame excuse about not knowing what to say; I'd guess he's just having trouble explaining to the boy why something daddy does is inappropriate

And just how do you substantiate that this is something daddy does? What is your source of information for this fact?
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#656440 - 12/22/06 05:59 PM Re: Boy, 5, accused of sexual harassment RVFlyboy
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#656444 - 12/22/06 06:01 PM Re: Boy, 5, accused of sexual harassment Sinatra Fan
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Apart from being 'written up' (and obviously having his parents notified) does the article indicate what, if any, additional action will be taken against the boy? If this is the entirety of the school's response, then I think it's perfectly appropriate.

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#656465 - 12/22/06 06:18 PM Re: Boy, 5, accused of sexual harassment JacF
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Apart from being 'written up' (and obviously having his parents notified) does the article indicate what, if any, additional action will be taken against the boy? If this is the entirety of the school's response, then I think it's perfectly appropriate.


Appropriate to write up a 5 year for sexual harassment? I agree with notifying the parents for slapping, but to call this sexual harassment is laughable.

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#656473 - 12/22/06 06:21 PM Re: Boy, 5, accused of sexual harassment straw
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Jim,

If you read my post, you'll notice the words "I'd guess" were included. And even if it were the situation Steve suggested, my point is still that there is no excuse for a parent not knowing how to discuss appropriate behavior with his child.
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#656499 - 12/22/06 06:33 PM Re: Boy, 5, accused of sexual harassment JacF
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Originally Posted By: JacFSB
Apart from being 'written up' (and obviously having his parents notified) does the article indicate what, if any, additional action will be taken against the boy? If this is the entirety of the school's response, then I think it's perfectly appropriate.

jac, why on earth is bringing a 5 yr old up on sexual harassment charges "perfectly appropriate" or did i not understand your post?

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#656520 - 12/22/06 06:48 PM Re: Boy, 5, accused of sexual harassment Hated By Some
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I have three grandchildren, and have raised three children. Never have I seen nor do I now see any indication that a 5 year old understands sexual advances or "misconduct". Being 'written up' is way beyond the proper handling of this. As indicated in previous posts, the father, or another responsible family member, should point out, now that the child is in school, what body parts are inappropriate to touch, and leave it at that! Sheesh!
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#656542 - 12/22/06 07:19 PM Re: Boy, 5, accused of sexual harassment TINKerBell
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Ron,

Either you misunderstood my post, you misunderstood the original post, or both. I don't see where charges were mentioned in either.

The article, as provided (unless there's more- that's why I asked) leads me to believe that the school is handling this internally- and that's exactly what they should do!

So what exactly does it mean to be 'written up' at school? Sounds to me like a report of the incident in the student's file. Good! That will be helpful information in the event that future incidents require a more severe response from the school.

Karen,

Whether the child understands that his behavior is inappropriate or not, does the school not have the responsibility to document such behavior? I agree that the boy's parents should be the first to set him straight, but the school is powerless to enforce that. Any public school will invariably have to deal with children who simply have not been taught proper boundaries at home. In order to deal with them properly, they need to keep track of what is happening.

Truth be told, I'm convinced that incidents like this are not all that uncommon. And I'm sure most schools (at least the responsible ones) document such incidents and notify parents. The only reason we are discussing this particular incident is because someone decided to tell the press. I'm really curious as to who that someone was...

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