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#668720 - 01/19/07 04:37 PM
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Here's another fun bit of (proposed) legislation coming out of the Golden State. I thought it would be interesting to hear the debate, especially after the no-smoking-in-the-car-with-kids debate. California Considers Ban on Spanking
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#668728 - 01/19/07 04:41 PM
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I was spanked when I was little a few times. And you know what? I deserved it.
I whole-heartedly disagree with this... Personally (flame if you must) I think that this is part of the problem with society today. Kids sometimes need a swat on their behinds. It's not abuse, it's discipline.
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#668732 - 01/19/07 04:44 PM
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Personally (flame if you must) I think that this is part of the problem with society today... Personally, I think the problem with society is with so many pressing issues at stake...people find it necessary to pass "good parenting" laws...give me a break...
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#668735 - 01/19/07 04:47 PM
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The proposed bit of legislation would only ban spanking of children under the age of three, but it sounds like it's quite expansive and includes any kind of corperal punishment whatsoever.
Personally, I was spanked a handfull of times as a child and didn't come out any worse for wear. I think some small children need the occasional swat to get their attention. That being said, abusing children is totally unacceptable, wrong, and ... already illegal.
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#668737 - 01/19/07 04:48 PM
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"No Spanking Thread"??? Well that's just no fun!
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#668738 - 01/19/07 04:48 PM
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As I said in another thread, I believe you can discipline without hitting. That being said, I don't believe in passing these "slippery slope" kind of laws.
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#668739 - 01/19/07 04:48 PM
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I was spanked when I was little a few times. And you know what? I deserved it.
I whole-heartedly disagree with this... Personally (flame if you must) I think that this is part of the problem with society today. Kids sometimes need a swat on their behinds. It's not abuse, it's discipline. I agree, Madison. I was deservedly spanked a few times, and got a good taste of bar soap too. No worse for the wear. There are times kids need some discipline. Our society has turned soft-no more keeping score in little league, every participant gets a trophy, teachers can't use red pen to grade homework...ugh. Where does it end?
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#668750 - 01/19/07 04:55 PM
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I was spanked a handful of times when I was younger, and I actually felt more punished when I was grounded and didn't see the light of day.
While I don't know if spanking is necessary to dicipline a child, I believe that parents should have the right to choose that option. We don't need anymore government legislation telling us what we can and can not do in our private lives.
Are we still the land of the free?
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#668771 - 01/19/07 05:15 PM
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Are we still the land of the free? No, but if you're not politically correct, it's still the home of the brave. What if a tot is attempting to put something bad into its mouth, and the parent swats the hand to prevent that? What if a tot is reaching for something in a store, and the parent swats the hand away?
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#668779 - 01/19/07 05:21 PM
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What about hitting between siblings?
My brother and I beat the crap out of each other.
I’m turning him in the first chance I get.
Yet even after all those fights, I turned out perfectly normal, go figure.
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#668820 - 01/19/07 05:52 PM
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I guess that I would consciously have to break the law, enough is enough, stop butting into my life... Actually, I had to bring out the "hand from nowhere" out of retirement this past weekend. My son dubbed it that.
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#668840 - 01/19/07 06:16 PM
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My daughter has actually asked that I spank her rather than make her write sentences! It's over with faster! How foolish. Let's think about what those under 3 are wearing on their little bottoms - big, thick diapers! If you're just swatting them on the butt to get their attention, it realy doesn't hurt them through all that padding - it just startles them. This woman who has no children should try raising one sometime before she starts banning perfectly good parenting techniques.
I would love to see her sit down and try to approach the problem with logic with child that age.... "now susie, electricity will hurt you so you mustn't stick that pencil in the light socket".. At three, they look at you and do it anyway.
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#668843 - 01/19/07 06:20 PM
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Anyone also notice that the person who introduced this bill does not have any children of their own??
Always love it when someone else feels they should be the ultimate authority of someone else's business, especially when they have no personal connection or first hand knowledge to it in the first place.
Now speaking as one of those non-child-having-people, spanking a child for swift discipline, and child abuse are two different things...yes, the line can sometimes become blurred and gray, but this law will do nothing to stop people already intent on abusing and hurting their children.
Lawmakers need to stay not only out of our bedrooms, but outside of our homes altogether.
This assembly person person needs to be more concerned on how she can protect children when they are not able to be in their parents sight, from the ones that truely want to hurt children, physically and emotionally. Lets focus a little harder on them first.
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#668847 - 01/19/07 06:27 PM
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Anyone also notice that the person who introduced this bill does not have any children of their own??
Always love it when someone else feels they should be the ultimate authority of someone else's business, especially when they have no personal connection or first hand knowledge to it in the first place.
Now speaking as one of those non-child-having-people, spanking a child for swift discipline, and child abuse are two different things...yes, the line can sometimes become blurred and gray, but this law will do nothing to stop people already intent on abusing and hurting their children.
Lawmakers need to stay not only out of our bedrooms, but outside of our homes altogether.
This assembly person person needs to be more concerned on how she can protect children when they are not able to be in their parents sight, from the ones that truely want to hurt children, physically and emotionally. Lets focus a little harder on them first. So are you saying we are only to have opinions about things we have experienced ourselves? Not smart if you ask me.
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#668851 - 01/19/07 06:29 PM
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I have a 3 year old little girl, and let me tell you, a little more than a year ago, my precious little angel learned the word "NO" and she used it every chance she got. Now remember, when a child is about a year old she may not understand you when you calmly explain to her that something is dangerous, or that it's not very nice, so when you explain things like this to them and you get the big "NO!" back, what are you gonna do, explain what they can't understand again, or give them a little swat on the butt, which will hurt their feelings but not necessarily hurt them physically. I don't believe in child abuse, I mean, who does, but when my kids are bad, they get swatted on the butt, and a good talking to. And it works.
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#668852 - 01/19/07 06:30 PM
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No, no...
SP, do you have kiddies?
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#668858 - 01/19/07 06:35 PM
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No, no...
SP, do you have kiddies? No, but that doesn't mean I've never been around kids.
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#668861 - 01/19/07 06:37 PM
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when my kids are bad, they get swatted on the butt, and a good talking to. Why give them the "talking to" if they are unable to understand?
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#668862 - 01/19/07 06:38 PM
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I was also spanked as a child. Now with having raised two boys and a girl, I can say we spanked them up to a certain age. After that it was the long talk and grounding. But my kids will tell you I still have a pretty fast back hand. I also agree that that is part of the problem today, no discipline of children, if you let them get a way with it at home, them they think when they get in the real world, they can get a way with it too...some have a real eye opening awaiting for them...
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